1-Apr-86 01:28:20-MST,1013;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 1 Apr 86 01:28:15-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000244; 1 Apr 86 2:32 EST Received: from (UKC340)UKCC.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 03/31/86 at 15:20:55 CST Date: 31 March 86 16:19-EST From: UKC340%UKCC.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: BITNET mail follows HELO UKCC.BITNET VERB ON TICK 0001 MAIL FROM: RCPT TO: DATA Date: 31 Mar 86 16:10 EST From: UKC340@UKCC.BITNET To: ARPAinfo-cpm@ARPAamsaa.ARPA Subject: simtel20 public domain software I was wondering if there was anyone out there who has access to FTP on arpanet and would be willing to ship some of the public domain software available on simtel20 to me. i have no way of accessing the cp/m archives directly. thank you, Wayne E. Beech 1-Apr-86 05:00:08-MST,1040;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 1 Apr 86 05:00:02-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000655; 1 Apr 86 5:52 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a009144; 1 Apr 86 5:48 EST From: Bill Edwards Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: ZCPR3 for Osborne etc. Message-ID: <808@harvard.UUCP> Date: 31 Mar 86 15:31:45 GMT Keywords: ZNODES To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Thanks for all suggestions of help. I looked on the Newton, MA ZNODE, and found a version of ZCPR3 for the Osborne, which booted successfully after two minutes of work (tops). Now on to installing the utilities... -- Bill Edwards edwards@harvard.UUCP Harvard Science Center edwards@harvard.harvard.EDU 1 Oxford Street ...!wjh12!h-sc4!edwards Cambridge, MA 02138 495-1268 ...!harvard!edwards The usual disclaimers. ...!harvard!h-sc1!h-sc2!edwards Please send mail to my account on harvard or my account on h-sc4. 1-Apr-86 07:40:07-MST,1188;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 1 Apr 86 07:39:58-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004150; 1 Apr 86 8:36 EST Received: from (MAILER)UKCC.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/01/86 at 07:29:12 CST Received: by UKCC (Mailer X1.23) id 3388; Tue, 01 Apr 86 08:28:31 EST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1986 08:28 EST From: Wayne Beech Subject: software transfer To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA HELO UKCC.BITNET VERB ON TICK 0001 MAIL FROM: RCPT TO: DATA Date: 31 Mar 86 16:10 EST From: UKC340@UKCC.BITNET To: ARPAinfo-cpm@ARPAamsaa.ARPA Subject: simtel20 public domain software I was wondering if there was anyone out there who has access to FTP on arpanet and would be willing to ship some of the public domain software available on simtel20 to me. i have no way of accessing the cp/m archives directly. thank you, Wayne E. Beech .. 1-Apr-86 08:17:32-MST,1193;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 1 Apr 86 08:16:56-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003078; 1 Apr 86 8:04 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a010539; 1 Apr 86 7:56 EST From: Thomas L Davis Newsgroups: net.micro.68k,net.micro.cpm,net.micro.pc Subject: Viasyn PC Video Board with 68000 Message-ID: <517@ssc-bee.UUCP> Date: 31 Mar 86 19:52:05 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.68k:1675 net.micro.cpm:5787 net.micro.pc:8087 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA << for the bit (line)- bucket >> I have both a Godbout 68000 processor board and PC video board which I would like to be able to use together. Does anyone know of CP/M-68K software that supports the PC video board or of other operating systems (TOS, p-system, ...) that might be available for hacking? - - - - - - - - - Tom Davis USENET: ... !uw-beaver!ssc-vax!ssc-bee!tld C3I Systems Engineering COMPUSERVE: 70110,555 Boeing Aerospace Co. *** All opinions expressed (good, bad, or otherwise) are mine and in no way reflect opinion or policy of Boeing Aerospace Co. or The Boeing Company. *** 1-Apr-86 13:09:49-MST,1074;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 1 Apr 86 13:09:25-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a014305; 1 Apr 86 14:04 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a007330; 1 Apr 86 13:55 EST From: kdavis%okstate.uucp@BRL.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: HP125 Software Needed Message-ID: <19800003@okstate.UUCP> Date: 27 Mar 86 17:02:00 GMT Nf-ID: #N:okstate.UUCP:19800003:000:504 Nf-From: okstate.UUCP!kdavis Mar 27 11:02:00 1986 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am trying to locate someone with software for the HP 125. Specifically, I hope to find a copy of the Programmer's Package. This contains a variety of the normal systems utilities for CPM. Since HP no long manufactures the 125 and is not making its software available any longer I'm having to look elsewhere. If anyone has this or any other software which they would be willing to a copy, or know of anyone who would, I would appreciate getting a response. Thanks, Kelvin Davis kdavis@okstate.csnet 1-Apr-86 15:12:59-MST,7344;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 1 Apr 86 15:12:20-MST Date: Tue, 1 Apr 86 16:45:09 EST From: Dave Towson (info-cpm-request) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Posting of commercial messages: Fellow CP/Mers - Occasional postings of messages offering or announcing items for sale have caused some flurries of (sometimes) heated debate concerning "proper use" of the Defense Data Network, through which INFO-CPM is distrib- uted. I believe that most subscribers to this list honestly wish to adhere to the "network rules" and not jeopardize INFO-CPM's use of the DDN. But although the policy regarding personal "for sale" messages has been clearly stated many times (they're not allowed), it has become quite obvious that the lack of a clearly stated policy concerning new product announcements is causing much frustration to those who wish to post such information while still "playing by the rules". Therefore, this message states my interpretation of the regulations, and presents a resulting policy to which I, as INFO-CPM list maintainer, ask all DDN subscribers to adhere. I also ask that contributors to "NET.MICRO.CPM" on USENET voluntarily cooperate so that the mutually bene- ficial news gateway between INFO-CPM and NET.MICRO.CPM is not threatened. The June 1984 issue of the "DDN Directory" gives on page 12 the following statement concerning use of the network: "The DDN is an operational DoD network and is not intended to compete with comparable commercial service. It is intended to be used solely for the conduct of or in support of official U.S. Government business." It is the vagueness of the term "official U.S. Government business" that forces a local interpretation to be made, and that is the reason for this message. Briefly stated, my policy is this: 1. I offer to act as a clearinghouse for all new product announcements posted by persons having remunerative interests in the products. Persons wishing to post such announcements are asked to send them to INFO-CPM-REQUEST@AMSAA.ARPA for forwarding to the list. Please note that this applies ONLY to "remunerative interest postings". Readers having no such interests are always welcome to send comments about products, new or old, directly to INFO-CPM. 2. Messages offering personal items for sale must not be posted. This policy is explained in more detail below. PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENTS: I feel that the information value of a product announcement must be weighed against possible personal rewards when making a decision about use of the network. There are many government-owned computers running CP/M, and on which serious government work is being done. Several years ago, the DARCOM Microcomputer Software Support System (DMSSS) project was instituted, with one of its aspects to provide a repository of public domain software on the net. INFO-CPM was sponsored as the official vehicle for announcements of the status of the collections, and to promote the inter- change of user information on the use of CP/M and the programs which run under it. This is why INFO-CPM is "in support of official U.S. Government business". New products that provide improvements to the CP/M operating system, to associated utility programs or to the machines on which these programs run offer productivity increases to government users. Therefore, it is in the government interest to distribute factual information concerning such products. Still, when an individual having a personal monetary interest in a product posts an announcement concerning that product, it raises questions about "commercial use of the network". Therefore, as I have no involvement with any provider of CP/M-related products or services, I offer to act as a "clearinghouse" for all new product announcements being submitted by persons having remunerative interests in these products. I ask that all individuals wishing to post such announcements via INFO-CPM send them to INFO-CPM-REQUEST@AMSAA.ARPA. My requirements for relaying such messages to the list are: 1. They must be of general interest to the "CP/M community". Products that address specific subsets of this community, such as those which operate with or on an "XYZ machine running CP/M 2.2" meet this requirement. 2. They must be brief and factual, listing the salient features of the products, and giving brief explanations of the techniques used to achieve improved performance (if applicable). In short, they must be INFORMATIVE. 3. They must be free of advertising hype - no superlatives. Compar- ative words such as "better" and "improved" are OK provided brief explanations are given as stated above. 4. They should include the name and netmail address of a person to whom requests for additional informaton can be directed, or a statement that no additional information is available if that is the case. I will not attempt to present here an all-inclusive, "iron-clad" set of rules, as I do not believe it can be done; and if it can, I don't know how. Please send any questions regarding this matter to INFO-CPM-REQUEST@AMSAA.ARPA, and NOT to the entire list. If further clarifications seem necessary, I will update and resend this message. PERSONAL "FOR SALE" MESSAGES: I think there is a very significant difference between product announcements and personal "for sale" messages. Products that are offered to the public which provide new capabilities, or which improve the performance of existing systems offer these same benefits to government users. But personal deals are "one-on-one", and unless the buyer is a government user (which I consider an extremely remote possibility considering the "red-tape" associated with procurement), no benefit can accrue to the government. Therefore, personal small-volume offerings violate the intent of the rules and should not be posted. REPLIES TO POSTINGS: Please make intelligent decisions regarding replies to product announcements. If such a reply is of general interest, then feel free to send it to INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA (i.e., to the entire list). I will include with each posting the address of a person to contact for additional information (or a statement that no further information is available, if that is the case). Please send non-general-interest replies PRIVATELY to the person listed, and NOT to the entire list. If a personal "for sale" message does appear in INFO-CPM and you wish to respond to it, please do so PRIVATELY and not to the entire list. If your mailer can't send private replies, then DO NOT REPLY at all. The above policy has been coordinated with the Army Ballistic Research Laboratory personnel responsible for monitoring BRL's network access, through which INFO-CPM is delivered to the DDN. This message will be repeated period- ically for the information of new readers, and to refresh the memories of others. Your cooperation will help to insure the continued existence of the INFO-CPM newsgroup. Dave Towson INFO-CPM list maintainer 2-Apr-86 03:35:18-MST,1012;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 2 Apr 86 03:35:04-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021832; 2 Apr 86 4:43 EST Received: from (UKC340)UKCC.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/01/86 at 14:55:40 CST Date: 1 April 86 15:18-EST From: UKC340%UKCC.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: BITNET mail follows HELO UKCC.BITNET VERB ON TICK 0001 MAIL FROM: RCPT TO: DATA Date: 31 Mar 86 16:10 EST From: UKC340@UKCC.BITNET To: ARPAinfo-cpm@ARPAamsaa.ARPA Subject: simtel20 public domain software I was wondering if there was anyone out there who has access to FTP on arpanet and would be willing to ship some of the public domain software available on simtel20 to me. i have no way of accessing the cp/m archives directly. thank you, Wayne E. Beech 2-Apr-86 05:51:18-MST,4557;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 2 Apr 86 05:51:00-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a022378; 2 Apr 86 6:59 EST Date: Tuesday, 1 April 1986 13:17-MST Message-ID: Sender: Bob Clements From: Bob Clements To: w8sdz@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: WA8DED TNC-1 Firmware V1.1 ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Wed 2 Apr 1986 04:44-MST Some time ago, I posted Version 1.0 of Ron Raikes' (WA8DED) replacement firmware for the TAPR TNC-1 and its clones. I just got a copy of version 1.1, and it is now available on SIMTEL20. Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: TNCDED11.DOC.1 ASCII 34943 D17BH TNCDED11.HEX.1 ASCII 32264 CD0BH TNCDED11.UPD.1 ASCII 655 E233H Here is the update information for this release: Changes incorporated in version 1.1 1. FRMR link status messages are displayed properly 2. Monitored FRMR frames are displayed properly. 3. Handling of all supervisory frames has been improved considerably. 4. Transmitter PTT line is not asserted if source call sign is left blank. 5. Connect requests from invalid or blank call signs are rejected. 6. Changing connection path from direct to via digipeaters works properly. 7. Handling of XON/XOFF has been improved considerably. 8. Information sent to an unconnected channel 1 - 4 in HOST mode is discarded. Ron says that number 6 is the only one that should affect most users. I think number 7 should help people using computers and communications programs. I also think number 4 is a great idea. I hope other vendors pick up on it. No more connects from "ABCDEF", "NOCALL" or "PK64"! A quick review for those who haven't heard of this firmware before: WA8DED, like many of us, got annoyed at the lack of a maintenance release for the TAPR TNC-1 and clones - the Heath HD-4040, AEA model whatever, etc. These are the ones with a 6809 microprocessor. Unlike most of us, he sat down and did something about it. He wrote this firmware which replaces the original TAPR V3.1, 3.2 or 3.3 firmware. It provides many of the features of the newer TNC devices. The main things, in my opinion, are support of AX.25 version 2, support of multiple simultaneous connections, much improved monitoring facilities and a mode specifically designed to interface to a local computer rather than a terminal, thus solving the flow control and binary transparency problems. Also, all the local parameters are in documented locations, so you can burn them in the EPROM and not have any problems with flakey NOVRAMs. I highly recommend that this firmware be placed in any digipeaters still using the TAPR code, to allow AX.25 version 2 frames to be repeated. The one down side of this firmware is that the command interface as seen by the user is NOT compatible with the TAPR firmware. The command functions are there, but the command names are different, and there is no "command" versus "converse" mode. This makes it incompatible with programs written to talk to a TAPR TNC, such as the W0RLI MailBox/GateWay system. If you cannot read these files from SIMTEL20, I will try to help out on an "as time is available" basis: If there is a mail path between you and me on which it is polite to send such large files (34K for the DOC file, 31K for the HEX), I will mail them to you. If you want them on disk, I can write IBMPC 360K MS-DOS type 5.25" disks or 8" SSSD CP/M type disks. Send me a blank disk in a reusable mailer and with return postage. I am not able to make EPROMs for you or provide the files on a dial-up basis. Sorry. 73, Bob Clements, K1BC AX.25: K1BC @ K1BC [Near Boston, 145.09 and 221.11] ARPANET: CLEMENTS@BBN.BBN.COM Usenet: {ihnp4, decvax, linus, ...}!bbncca!clements Snail Mail: 4 Paul Revere Road, Lexington MA 02173 [Good in the callbook] Voice: 617-497-3612 (work) [Note: The above files will be available as TNCDED11.LBR from RCP/M Royal Oak (MI) which may be accessed at 300 bps (Bell 103a), 1200 bps (Bell 212a), or 2400 bps (V.22 bis). The telephone number is (313) 759-6569. The LBR will also be available from the CPM RoundTable on General Electric Information Services' GEnie.] 2-Apr-86 11:27:13-MST,961;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 2 Apr 86 11:26:05-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a026179; 2 Apr 86 8:57 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a021395; 2 Apr 86 8:26 EST From: "Kenneth B. Bass" Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm Subject: CPM/BIOS interface questions Message-ID: <517@faron.UUCP> Date: 31 Mar 86 15:12:10 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro:14943 net.micro.cpm:5790 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I need some information about what CP/M (2.2) expects from the BIOS. Specifically: What are the various entries in the disk parameter header blocks? (and what does CP/M do with them) What kind of error codes does CP/M want for things such as 'write-protect', or 'record-not-found', etc.? Please respond via email to me, since I don't get too many chances to read this group. ken bass kbb@faron.ARPA 4-Apr-86 15:54:02-MST,787;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 4 Apr 86 15:53:49-MST Received: from lanl.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007180; 4 Apr 86 17:24 EST Received: from a.ARPA by LANL.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA05030; Fri, 4 Apr 86 15:22:44 mst Received: by a.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA02970; Fri, 4 Apr 86 15:23:21 mst Date: Fri, 4 Apr 86 15:23:21 mst From: Richard Thomsen Message-Id: <8604042223.AA02970@a.ARPA> To: info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Request for code implementing GKS Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am thinking about implementing the GKS (Graphics Kernel System) on my micro. Before I do, is there any public domain code that does this already? Preferably in C. Richard Thomsen 4-Apr-86 16:30:54-MST,522;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 4 Apr 86 16:30:34-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007343; 4 Apr 86 17:53 EST Date: Fri, 4 Apr 86 17:42:29 EST From: Steve Lesh (ISC) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: franklin 80-col card terminal type Does anybody know what terminal (if any?) the Franklin 80-column card emulates? I need a termcap entry for one? Thanks in advance, 4-Apr-86 16:50:05-MST,659;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 4 Apr 86 16:49:41-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007456; 4 Apr 86 18:17 EST Date: Fri 4 Apr 86 16:03:31-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: Request for code implementing GKS To: rgt%a@LANL.ARPA cc: info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: <8604042223.AA02970@a.ARPA> Message-ID: <12196239319.16.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> PD: contains a complete implementation of a GKS, including documentation. All source code is written in Ada, and there is a lot of it. ------- 4-Apr-86 21:27:43-MST,737;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 4 Apr 86 21:27:33-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008107; 4 Apr 86 22:54 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id ac00524; 4 Apr 86 22:46 EST Date: Thu, 3 Apr 86 22:21:09 EST From: "Stephen C. Hill" Subject: Directory info needed To: INFO-CPM@MIT-MC.ARPA cc: STEVEH@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].873439.860403.STEVEH> DRI used to say that information about the use of the S1 and S2 bytes (the ones at 0D & 0E in the FCB) was proprietary. Now that they have ceased to support CP/M, can anyone give us a good explanation of their use(s)? 5-Apr-86 02:32:04-MST,1504;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 5 Apr 86 02:31:58-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008433; 5 Apr 86 3:48 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a006941; 5 Apr 86 3:46 EST From: "J.S.Jonas" Newsgroups: net.arch,net.micro,net.micro.cpm,net.micro.pc Subject: Anyone out there experienced with the STD bus? Message-ID: <197@sfsup.UUCP> Date: 1 Apr 86 17:55:03 GMT Xref: seismo net.arch:3037 net.micro:14980 net.micro.cpm:5800 net.micro.pc:8141 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [just plug it in, and it works] Is there anyone out there using the STD bus? If so, how do you rate the vendors? I have a few brochures. Pro-Log has a very informative catalog and seems to have a lot of support. They say they developed the STD bus in 1978 and put it in the public domain. They have a lot of boards. Mostek's boards and chips don't appear to be very good. For example: the MK3801 Serial Timer Interrupt Controller has bugs with IEO (the interrupt priority daisy chain) where it is slow to carry the IEI, and can prematurely reset. The 12 slot card cage motherboard has all the signal traces on ONE SIDE with no interleaving grounds! Now I see why Vector and Matrix charge so much for their double-sided boards with the interleaving grounds! So, how about it? Jeff 'the amusing' Skot {ihnp4 | allegra | cbosgd} attunix ! jeffj 5-Apr-86 18:50:39-MST,1080;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 5 Apr 86 18:50:32-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009894; 5 Apr 86 20:15 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a005110; 5 Apr 86 20:04 EST From: kdavis%okstate.uucp@BRL.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Software for HP 125 needed Message-ID: <19800004@okstate.UUCP> Date: 2 Apr 86 14:21:00 GMT Nf-ID: #N:okstate.UUCP:19800004:000:481 Nf-From: okstate.UUCP!kdavis Apr 2 08:21:00 1986 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am trying to locate someone with software for the HP 125. Specifically, I hope to find a copy of the Programmer's Package. This contains a variety of the normal systems utilities for CPM. Since HP no long manufactures the 125 and is not making its software available any longer I'm having to look elsewhere. If anyone has this or any other software which they would be willing to copy, or know of anyone who would, I would appreciate getting a response. Thanks, Kelvin Davis 5-Apr-86 20:05:18-MST,553;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 5 Apr 86 20:05:12-MST Received: from usc-isi.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010015; 5 Apr 86 21:39 EST Date: 5 Apr 1986 21:35:08 EST Subject: DEARC program for New ARC Version From: Steve Noland To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Does anyone out there know of a CP/M program that will crack .ARC files that have been made with the later versions (post v. 5.0) of ARC??? Thanks in advance, Steve Noland ------- 5-Apr-86 21:40:57-MST,874;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 5 Apr 86 21:40:50-MST Received: from uci-icsc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010174; 5 Apr 86 23:25 EST Received: from localhost by ICSC.UCI.EDU id a008408; 5 Apr 86 20:22 PST To: Richard Thomsen cc: info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, young@uci-icsc.ARPA Subject: Re: Request for code implementing GKS In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 4 Apr 86 15:23:21 mst. <8604042223.AA02970@a.ARPA> Date: 05 Apr 86 20:21:10 PST (Sat) From: Michal Young There is a GKS implementation in the Ada software repository, downloadable through ftp or by mag tape. In Ada, of course. For info on the Ada software repository, read ada-sw bboard or the recent Ada/Modula II issue of Dr. Dobbs. --Michal 6-Apr-86 02:31:27-MST,916;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 6 Apr 86 02:31:21-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010471; 6 Apr 86 4:04 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a008726; 6 Apr 86 3:55 EST From: "Andrew M. Moore" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: franklin 80-col card terminal type Message-ID: <1493@mit-eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: 6 Apr 86 01:10:25 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Most 80-Column cards for the Apples and clones emulate the Datamedia terminal. Support for this terminal really isn't that great -- at least on the systems I've worked with. I get along fine using ASCII Express (DOS 3.3 (blech!) or ProDOS) emulating a VT52. AE lets you emulate ten different terminals. -drew arpa: MOORE%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA uucp: ...mit-eddie!moore us: Box 121, North Quincy, MA 02171 6-Apr-86 08:49:37-MST,1425;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 6 Apr 86 08:49:31-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011074; 6 Apr 86 10:26 EST Date: Sun, 6 Apr 86 10:11:50 EST From: Eric Stork Subject: dBASE2 on CP/M & MS-DOS To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].875663.860406.STORK> A few weeks ago, I asked whether dBASE2.4n data and command files are compatible on CP/M and MS-DOS versions of the program. My reason was that I use CP/M, but a friend whom I'm helping to computerize his Optician Business needs to go to MS-DOS for cost and capacity reasons. I got encouragement from the net, procured the latest MS-DOS version (2.43*) of dBASEII - it works perfectly! Of course, there are a few changes in 2.43 that would require minor mods even from earlier MS-DOS versions (e.g., they dropped the CHANGE command, which requires a work-around with @ n,n SAY and GET), but nothing serious. The point is that a CP/M user can easily support and MS-DOS user if both run dBASEII. Now, another question: On p.620 of the Advanced Programmers Guide for dBASE II/III (Castro, Hanson, Rettig), data are provided for POKEing out the EJECT function in dBASE II ver.2.3 - 2.41. Does anyone know the proper POKE values to do this for Ver.2.43* MS-DOS? Would much appreciate the data. Eric. STORK@MIT-MC 7-Apr-86 11:16:03-MST,692;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 7 Apr 86 11:15:51-MST Date: Mon, 7 Apr 86 12:45:43 EST From: David Towson (SECAD) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Need info on Seagate ST-506: Fellow CP/Mers - I just acquired a Seagate ST-506 which appears to be unused. The DIP shunt has not been set-up, and I have no data. Can anyone provide a list of the functions associated with each position of the DIP shunt (e.g., drive-select-1, drive-select-2, etc.)? If so, please indicate whether you are counting from the back of the PC board toward the front, or vice versa. Thanks. Dave 7-Apr-86 18:41:06-MST,958;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 7 Apr 86 18:40:59-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003805; 7 Apr 86 19:55 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a000513; 7 Apr 86 19:43 EST From: Dan'l Oakes Newsgroups: net.arch,net.micro,net.micro.cpm,net.micro.pc Subject: Need Help!!! Message-ID: <322@ptsfd.UUCP> Date: 4 Apr 86 20:53:49 GMT Xref: seismo net.arch:3057 net.micro:15013 net.micro.cpm:5810 net.micro.pc:8176 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Need help. I use a Sanyo MBC-1000. The damn thing only has one disk drive, which makes backing up files a **pain**. I have a diskette with several very important wordstar text files on it, and the directory track got munged. Is there anything I can do to fix it and retrieve my unbacked up files? Send responses by netmail to djo@ptsfd.UUCP. THANK YOU. Dan'l Danehy-Oakes 8-Apr-86 08:33:27-MST,654;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 8 Apr 86 08:33:14-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010776; 8 Apr 86 9:56 EST Received: from (CHRIS)BINGVAXB.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/08/86 at 08:52:09 CST Date: Tue, 8 Apr 86 09:51 EST From: CHRIS%BINGVAXB.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Where to order CP/M software? To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA X-Original-To: info-cpm@amsaa.arpa,CHRIS Does anyone know a mail-order firm that we can order CP/M software from? We're looking to buy Supercalc 2...Thanks - chris 8-Apr-86 23:42:11-MST,759;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 8 Apr 86 23:42:04-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025478; 9 Apr 86 1:15 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id a018717; 9 Apr 86 1:07 EST Date: Wed, 9 Apr 86 01:08:08 EST From: "Paul S. Traina" To: INFO-CPM@MIT-MC.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].878410.860409.MJW> VT100 emulation with TeleVideo 925/950 hardware. Has anyone done such a thing? I've got a rather good VT52 emulator, but have decided that VT100 physical characteristics are too different (i.e. screen attributes, double-height chars, etc. I would appreciate info from anyone who has taken the plunge in any language. Paul 9-Apr-86 11:09:12-MST,2229;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 9 Apr 86 11:08:59-MST Date: Wed, 9 Apr 86 12:13:08 EST From: Dave Towson (info-cpm-request) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: Ira Baxter Subject: CP/M 3.0 Networking Software Fellow CP/Mers - In keeping with the periodically announced info-cpm policy concerning posting of commercial new product announcements (copy available upon request to info-cpm-request@amsaa.arpa), the following message is considered to meet the stated requirements, and is therefore forwarded to the list. Please address any inquiries for additional information DIRECTLY to: Ira Baxter and NOT to info-cpm. And thank you, Ira, for your cooperation. Dave Towson info-cpm list maintainer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 05 Apr 86 From: Ira Baxter Subject: CPM 3.0 Network software As the result of an aborted contract, the company I work for part-time has acquired a 95% complete version of CPM 3.0 (no, not CPM 2.2) Networking software. The software requires one (or more) CP/M 3.0 machines to act as "server"(s), and allows other ("user") CP/M 3.0 machines transparent, error-free access to files or devices on the servers, via assignable logical device names. User software need not be modified at all, and the advantages of banked addressing are retained unchanged. Network hardware required is simply an RS232 port (SIO) on each server and user machine, and a very simple RS232 repeater box. At 19.2K baud serial link rates, the network performs suprising well. A side benefit is the installation of a real-time operating system UNDERNEATH CP/M 3.0, which has shown some nice throughput improvements even for non-networking applications. The question my company is interested in, is there any interest in pursing further development of this product? Please respond directly to me, and I will summarize any interesting answers. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10-Apr-86 05:18:01-MST,930;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 10 Apr 86 05:17:47-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017856; 10 Apr 86 6:47 EST Received: from (Z8BHM)SCFVM.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/10/86 at 05:43:55 CST Date: Thu, 10 Apr 86 06:45:50 EST To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA From: Z8BHM%SCFVM.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: NOTE from Z8BHM Date: 10 April 1986, 06:42:53 EST From: Bruce H. McIntosh Z8BHM at SCFVM To: INFO-CPM at AMSAA Greetings! I am running ZCPR3 on a Heath H89, and I'm having a problem with VFILER 3.2. I can't view the last screen of a file when viewing it with VFILER. It clears the screen and returns to the file menu without pausing when it reaches the end of file. Has anyone else noticed this problem, and if so, is there a fix for it? Thanks! Bruce 10-Apr-86 06:36:17-MST,857;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 10 Apr 86 06:36:10-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019579; 10 Apr 86 8:00 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a016385; 10 Apr 86 7:51 EST From: Ted Medin Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: franklin 80-col card terminal type Message-ID: <337@noscvax.UUCP> Date: 8 Apr 86 19:30:35 GMT Keywords: franklin 80-col To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <2376@brl-smoke.ARPA> lesh@BRL.ARPA (ISC) writes: > Does anybody know what terminal (if any?) the Franklin 80-column >card emulates? I need a termcap entry for one? I made up my own but most of the apple termcaps will work ok. I have a stack of termcaps which you can pick from. Let me know and I will mail them to you. 10-Apr-86 12:24:24-MST,914;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 10 Apr 86 12:24:09-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000678; 10 Apr 86 13:28 EST Received: from wsmr08.arpa by AOS.BRL.ARPA id a026064; 10 Apr 86 13:25 EST Date: Thu, 10 Apr 86 11:17:23 MST From: John Gilbert IM-C Subject: OS for Osborne Exec To: info-cpm@BRL.ARPA I have a friend who is trying to run a Turbo Pascal program on an Osborne Exec and the computer keeps locking up when he tries to print. He is running CPM 3.0 and I told him about TPATCH, but that does not seem to fix the problem. In reading the TPATCH documentation, it does not say whether it is for CPM 3.0 or not. I wondered if someone could tell me if all Osborne Execs were furnished with CPM 3.0 and if that is they system TPATCH was supposed to fix? Thanks in advance. John Gilbert 10-Apr-86 15:43:17-MST,530;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 10 Apr 86 15:43:07-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006710; 10 Apr 86 16:56 EST Date: Thu, 10 Apr 86 16:25:49 EST From: Herb Lin Subject: NULU To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: LIN@mit-mc.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].880473.860410.LIN> some time ago people said that a new version of NULU would be out soon, without the infamous BDOS 37 bug. What's the current status? thanks. 11-Apr-86 02:40:37-MST,1732;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 11 Apr 86 02:40:22-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008003; 11 Apr 86 4:01 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a007577; 11 Apr 86 3:53 EST From: mbate@ada-uts Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Zilog Z80 assembler Message-ID: <16800005@ada-uts> Date: 2 Apr 86 17:44:00 GMT Nf-ID: #R:brl-smoke.ARPA:2037:ada-uts:16800005:000:1163 Nf-From: ada-uts!mbate Apr 2 12:44:00 1986 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I personally have Z80ASM from SLR systems, and I love it. It cost $50., has full macro facilities, generates HEX, COM, or REL output, and is super-fast. Their linker is an additional $50, but there is also a public domain linker (PROLINK, I think it's called) that was developed by Night Owl software and used internally in the development of MEX. If, as I suspect, you don't need this much power, there is at least one public domain Z80 assembler. I think there is one that is also called Z80ASM that handles macros but generates only HEX files. ZAS, from Echelon, is also a reasonable choice. This package costs $80 (I believe) and includes an assembler, linker, and librarian. I have not used ZAS but am told that it is much slower and fussier about its input than Z80ASM from SLR. M80, from Microsoft, was still selling for $200, last time I heard. It's slow and buggy. It does, however, handle either Z80 or 8080 opcodes, unlike the above, which handle only Z80. M80 includes a linker and librarian. You should ask yourself what features you need in an assembler, especially whether you need one that can generate relocatable code. 11-Apr-86 12:04:40-MST,1145;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 11 Apr 86 12:04:14-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a015188; 11 Apr 86 11:53 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a016593; 11 Apr 86 11:46 EST From: Dave Lampe Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Help with XOR-IOMega CPM system Message-ID: <345@ptsfb.UUCP> Date: 10 Apr 86 17:18:35 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I hope someone can help me. Does anyone have an S-100 bus CP/M computer manufactured by XOR with IOMega 10 meg cartridge drives. If you do, would you please let me copy your system disk. I have wiped out both of mine. How you ask, very simply. There is a bug in either the formating program IFMT.COM or in the device driver. If an IO error is encountered while you are formatting a cartridge in the B drive, the disk in the A drive is trashed. If you can help, please send me mail and I will be happy to either mail you a new cartridge, or meet to copy yours. Thanks Dave Lampe @ Pacific Bell {dual,qantel,ihnp4,hoptoad}!ptsfa!ptsfb!djl (415) 823-2408 12-Apr-86 01:42:00-MST,610;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 12 Apr 86 01:41:55-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007470; 12 Apr 86 3:19 EST Date: Sat 12 Apr 86 01:12:24-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: NOTE from Z8BHM To: Z8BHM%SCFVM.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA cc: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Z8BHM%SCFVM.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA" of Thu 10 Apr 86 05:18:04-MST Message-ID: <12198174248.13.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> The bug you report has been detected and corrected. The current version of VFILER is 3.6. Rick ------- 13-Apr-86 09:06:39-MST,1588;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 13 Apr 86 09:06:32-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010704; 13 Apr 86 10:21 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a010089; 13 Apr 86 10:08 EST From: Tom Anderson Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Nylac II Computer Message-ID: <388@tikal.UUCP> Date: 9 Apr 86 02:27:24 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I recently acquired (through a death of a friend of the family) a CP/M computer called the Nylac II (by Nylac Computer Corporation). No documentation came with it, so I'm hoping someone out in netland might be able to help. Any information about this beast (including history) would be greatly appreciated. For those interested, this is what it is: 1. It is integrated into a terminal like enclosure with dual 5 inch disks to the right of the screen (hard sector). 2. It has a detached keyboard with a row of function keys across the top that are labeled with Electric Pencil functions. 3. Inside it has a motherboard with most of the useful things built in. It has 3 S-100 slots. One of the slots is occupied with the floppy disk controller. 4. The software that came with it includes CP/M, Electric Pencil (which seems to also be called QUILL3), and MBASIC. -- Thomas N. Anderson ...uw-beaver!tikal!tna Teltone Corporation, 10801 120th Ave NE, Kirkland, WA 98033 (206) 827-9626 "This Statement is False." 13-Apr-86 18:36:16-MST,584;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 13 Apr 86 18:36:11-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011832; 13 Apr 86 19:48 EST Date: Sun 13 Apr 86 17:35:52-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: New Files To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12198615426.11.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> In PD: is Z-NEWS.4Q7 and Z-NEWS.4Q8. In PD: are Z-NEWS.4Q7, Z-NEWS.4Q8, Z-NEWS.407, Z-NEWS.408, and ZNODES23.LST. In PD: is ZNODES23.LST. ZNODES22.LST has been removed. ------- 13-Apr-86 19:02:15-MST,1336;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 13 Apr 86 19:02:09-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011866; 13 Apr 86 20:23 EST Received: from (F1.JJH)ISUMVS.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/13/86 at 13:56:23 CST Date: Sun, 13 Apr 86 13:59:06 CST To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA From: Jeff Henkels Re: Z80 assemblers There is another public domain Z80 assembler that is not too widely known. It's the assembler described in Gordon King's book, "A Z80 Assembler for CP/M". It produces list and hex files, but will not handle macros or relocatable code. An improved version was promised in the book, but I haven't seen anything on it yet. Unfortunately, King's book is out of print, but there may still be a few copies available through Micro/Systems Journal. In their last 2 or 3 issues, they offered copies of King for $25.95 (I think). Also, I have a copy of the assembler (translated to fairly standard Z80 assembler) on tape and can send it to any interested parties over the BITNET. Jeff Henkels F1.JJH@ISUMVS.BITNET Disclaimer : Never confuse movement with action. 16-Apr-86 08:38:36-MST,1066;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 16 Apr 86 08:38:29-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004977; 16 Apr 86 9:52 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a003231; 16 Apr 86 9:42 EST From: "Kenneth B. Bass" Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: CPM/BIOS interface questions Message-ID: <544@faron.UUCP> Date: 12 Apr 86 15:20:44 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro:15055 net.micro.cpm:5822 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Thanks to all who responeded to my query about CPM's DPH blocks and BDOS handling of BIOS errors. The overwhelming majority of those who replied recommeded Andy Johnson-Laird's book "CPM Programmer's Handbook", so I thought I'd pass that bit of information to any of you out there who might be interested. ken bass kbb@faron!mbunix.ARPA linus!faron!kbb (I was hoping that some nice soul would send me directly the info. Oh well, I guess I'll have to loiter around in the local bookstore...) 16-Apr-86 20:44:12-MST,873;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 16 Apr 86 20:44:04-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010594; 16 Apr 86 17:51 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a016726; 16 Apr 86 17:47 EST From: kenb@techsup Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: req. C compiler Message-ID: <-1771103@techsup> Date: 9 Apr 86 17:30:00 GMT Nf-ID: #N:techsup:-1771103:000:342 Nf-From: techsup!kenb Apr 9 11:30:00 1986 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA can anyone recommend a decent C compiler? i'd prefer something in the public domain. last night i came across a Dr. Dobbs book titled "Small-C" which contains source for a compiler. does anyone have any comments on this book or the compiler in it? I'll appreciate any help anyone can give. thanks, ken uucp: !ihnp4!sys1!techsup!kenb 16-Apr-86 20:45:03-MST,1436;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 16 Apr 86 20:44:53-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011247; 16 Apr 86 20:44 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a019172; 16 Apr 86 20:18 EST From: Wayne Stoffel Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,net.micro Subject: Help: need bye for Osborne-1 Message-ID: <905@umcp-cs.UUCP> Date: 14 Apr 86 19:52:00 GMT Keywords: bye Osborne-1 cpm bbs Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:5825 net.micro:15069 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I seem to be in over my head. I'm trying to set up a private BBS for a non-profit (religious) radio station. They have a Hayes 1200 modem and an Osborne-1. I got the bye339 stuff from simtel20, but I can't seem to make it work. It writes strange characters all over the screen and, what is even more frustrating, it doesn't act consistently. One time it does one thing, and the next time it does something else. If I persist, the disk develops bad sectors. I noted in the documentation of bye5 that bye5 will not work with the Ozzy-1 unless there is a hardward mod. Is that what the problem is with the bye3? The bottom line is that I need to find out whether there is a version of bye that will run on the Ozzy-1, preferably without a hardware mod. Can anybody out there help me? Wayne Stoffel (301) 841-5686 wes@mimsy.umd.edu 17-Apr-86 10:40:20-MST,1012;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 17 Apr 86 10:40:11-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021742; 17 Apr 86 11:43 EST Received: from Cabernet.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 17 APR 86 08:39:48 PST Date: 17 Apr 86 08:38 PST From: Ghenis.pasa@xerox.ARPA Subject: Re: req. C compiler In-reply-to: kenb@techsup.ARPA's message of 9 Apr 86 17:30:00 GMT To: kenb@techsup.arpa cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860417-083948-1532@Xerox> Small-C is cute, but non-standard. For as little as $39.95 you can get MIX-C, which claims to be full K&R standard compatible, and comes with a 400 page manual and tutorial (a very good value, in my opinion). The tradeoff is it doesn't produce very efficient code. There are other C compilers for CP/M for under $100, see magazines like Byte, Dr. Dobbs, etc for ads. If you're interested in learning about compilers, Q/C comes with full source for itself written in C ($99 for the whole package). 17-Apr-86 11:55:03-MST,759;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 17 Apr 86 11:54:54-MST Received: from mitre-bedford.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a024573; 17 Apr 86 13:08 EST Full-Name: Trevor O. McCarthy Message-Id: <8604171810.AA15918@mitre-bedford.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA To: ghenis.pasa@XEROX.ARPA Cc: kenb@techsup.arpa Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA Subject: Re: req. C compiler In-Reply-To: Your message of 17 Apr 86 08:38 PST. <860417-083948-1532@Xerox> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 86 13:09:59 -0500 From: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA illuminate me.... what is Q/C? It sounds interesting as I'm interested in compilers. Trevor O. McCarthy The MITRE Corporation 17-Apr-86 12:43:16-MST,1117;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 17 Apr 86 12:43:07-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025510; 17 Apr 86 13:45 EST Received: from PinotNoir.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 17 APR 86 10:43:39 PST Date: 17 Apr 86 10:42 PST From: Ghenis.pasa@xerox.ARPA Subject: Re: req. C compiler In-reply-to: tom@mitre-bedford.ARPA's message of Thu, 17 Apr 86 13:09:59 -0500 To: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA cc: ghenis.pasa@xerox.ARPA, kenb@techsup.arpa, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860417-104339-1653@Xerox> I don't know much about Q/C, just remember that it got a good review some time ago when Dr. Dobbs (or was it Byte, or Computer Language magazine, or all three?) featured a review of several C compilers for CP/M. The fact that it included its own source code in C made it an especially good value from an educational standpoint. PS: Our mailer refused to cc: to techsup.arpa. Kenb@techsup.arpa, could you please send me a private message confirming the existence of this host so I can ask for a mailer update? 18-Apr-86 03:37:52-MST,1578;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 18 Apr 86 03:37:44-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005882; 18 Apr 86 5:05 EST Received: from (MAILER)SCFVM.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/18/86 at 04:06:41 CST Received: by SCFVM (Mailer X1.23b) id 4236; Fri, 18 Apr 86 04:59:40 EST Date: Fri, 18 Apr 86 04:52 EST From: "Bruce H. McIntosh" Subject: C To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, heath-people@MIT-MC.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA I have the Mix C compiler, and while the manual looks VERY good, I have yet to get my machine to read the fool disks! I have a Heath H 89 with 40 track ds disks, and that is the format I ordered from Mix, and the format that Mix says it sent me. However, I can't read the disks on the 40 track drives, nor on a recently-purchased 80 track drive. However, I HAVE successfully read the disks on a neighbor's H 89 with 80 track drives. The disks, as it turns out, are indeed recorded in the Heath 40 track format. As yet, I still have not been able to get the fool things read on my machine! The problem is driving me up a wall. As to the compiler itself, several of the folks at the Baltimore Heath Users Group think quite highly of the compiler. One caveat about the manual: The type style used in the manual doesn't distinguish between the number 1 and a lowercase letter l. This has caused some confusion. Bruce 18-Apr-86 05:41:39-MST,6196;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 18 Apr 86 05:41:11-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006835; 18 Apr 86 7:07 EST Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1986 05:06 MST Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Text database program wanted Reply-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA The following is a file relayed from my RCP/M. --Keith --cut here--NOTEFILE.TXT--cut here-- NOTEFILE TXT Notes toward an imaginary--and much needed--text database program in the public domain. * I am not a programmer. But I know of a program that would be welcomed by a great many writers using CP/M systems. Perhaps I could try to learn how to program it, but that would take too long: I want to USE it before then. What is needed is a public domain text database file. Notebook, a commercial program from Pro/Tem, accepts only 9 lines of text in the CP/M version, which is far too limited. What I propose is a program that makes use of the model of Dirfiles.com. Dirfiles, a public domain program, creates a listed directory of all files on a disk, to which a line of comment can be appended. It is used on most boards and by many individuals to identify the purpose of the various programs on the disk. This is how I suggest Dirfiles be modified to create NOTEFILE.COM: 1) Make it possible to invoke Dirfiles from within a single file, rather than drawing on the directory of the whole disk. 2) Make it possible to enter a list of subfile names at an opening menu, with one line of descriptive text, as in Dirfiles. 3) Make it possible to access any of these subfiles, and there enter text. It need not have word-wrap, but basic editing capacity would be useful. How about finding a way to incorporate Vdo.com as the editing-arm of the text database? It is only 6-8k. Or perhaps NOTEFILE can permit access to Vdo via a Run (R) function, as in Wordstar. That way it could run other relevant utilities like Find or Free Filer. That would give the program elementary database capacities. Once the individual NOTEFILE database had been entered, it would provide the list of all the subfiles at the menu. Other database programs operate in much this way, but the key difference is that NOTEFILE would permit unstructured text entry of any kind. (Eventually there should be the capacity to draw up some kind of structured fields, if desired, as in Notebook or Datastar.) Dbase2 might offer the most natural way to write this program, but something like a Turbo Pascal compiled file would really be preferable, a text database that might get as much use as Wordstar for those in the no-man's land between word processors and databases. In any case, stick to Wordstar commands and make it version of Vdo. 4) These subfiles should be able to hold at least three pages of text-- preferably something more like ten pages. 5) Other database capacities, such as the ability to sort and print out fields, could be improved on in later versions of the program, as well as expanding the editing tools. * PURPOSE OF NOTEFILE.COM Many editing projects require working on a cluster of related files. In fact, this is the best kind of outlining of all, where you can create 10, 20, or even more categories (i.e., subfiles), all listed at the opening menu as with dirfiles, where they can be quickly accessed for data entry or scanning. It seems to me that 20 subfiles would be a minimum for a single file, but a total of 30 or 35 subfiles that could be created would be much more useful, if it is necessary to set a limit on the number of subfiles at all.In any case, each subfile could be expanded as needed and the more this becomes possible, the more useful and used the program will be. * When I am doing research, information comes to me in snatches. Once I have entered a NOTEFILE database, I would like to be able to access any subfile, enter the information, and close it again, then have quick access to another file within that text database. It should be possible to go back to the opening menu by saving the individual subfile or abandoning the edited version of it. That way things won't be slowed down too much as the text file grows larger. Exiting one subfile should return to the main menu, where another subfile can be accessed, or the entire program exited--with a built- in save, if possible. It would be great if the individual NOTEFILE database could be as large as the diskspace, but it would still be practical if it were at least able to expand beyond the size of the program itself by at least 40K and hopefully even more. If the program were no more than 20 or so K, then the program and 40K or so of text could fit into memory, making it possible to make between files very quickly. However, it might be better to have the larger file capacity, even at the expense of slowing the program down. In any case we would have a cross between a word processing program and a database, a category into which a lot of text and note material falls. * If you decide to take a crack at writing this program (for CP/M, of course!) please upload to the St. Louis Kaypro board, 314-821-0638, or the local Epson board, 314-961-4594, where I will be sure to find it. Even if you are not a programer, if you like the idea and want such a program, please upload this note wherever you can, and hopefully it will fall into the right hands. I am freely putting this idea into the public domain, and all I ask is that it be kept there, where CP/M lives. Howard Schwartz Department of English 8001 Natural Bridge Rd. St. Louis, Mo. 63121 21-Apr-86 06:32:31-MST,1999;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 06:32:20-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa00332; 21 Apr 86 7:52 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a001720; 18 Apr 86 18:14 EST From: "Roger A. Lema" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Zilog Z80 assembler Message-ID: <2136@rayssd.UUCP> Date: 14 Apr 86 17:02:36 GMT Sender: "Roger A. Lema @ Raytheon Co., Portsmouth RI" To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA === REFERENCED ARTICLE =================================== > Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site rayssd.UUCP > Path: rayssd!raybed2!linus!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!hao!seismo!brl-adm!brl-smoke!smoke!W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA > From: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA (Keith Petersen) > Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm > Subject: Zilog Z80 assembler > Message-ID: <2210@brl-smoke.ARPA> > Date: Sun, 30-Mar-86 00:04:19 EST > Article-I.D.: brl-smok.2210 > Posted: Sun Mar 30 00:04:19 1986 > Date-Received: Wed, 2-Apr-86 06:48:50 EST > Sender: news@brl-smoke.ARPA > Lines: 18 > > A good public domain Z80 macro assembler is available. Check out: > > Filename Type Bytes CRC > > SIMTEL20 directory PD: > Z80MR.LBR.1 BINARY 41344 B0D0H > > If you are unable to access SIMTEL20 because of network restrictions > please remember that MOST of the new files announced to Info-Cpm are > also available on my RCP/M Royal Oak (MI) which may be accessed at > 300 bps (Bell 103a), 1200 bps (Bell 212a), or 2400 bps (V.22 bis). > The telephone number is (313) 759-6569. They are also available from > the CPM RoundTable on General Electric Information Services' GEnie. > > --Keith Petersen > Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA > GEmail: W8SDZ > uucp: {ihnp4,allegra,cmcl2,dual,decvax,mcnc,mcvax,vax135}!seismo!w8sdz ========================================================== *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** 21-Apr-86 06:35:36-MST,746;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 06:35:22-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id ab00332; 21 Apr 86 7:52 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a007360; 19 Apr 86 1:34 EST From: Rex Ballard Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: 8080 Assembler in C? Message-ID: <775@ccird2.UUCP> Date: 18 Apr 86 00:24:06 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Does anybody know what 8080 assemblers might be available for porting on a 4.2 or sys V system? Lex/Yacc or C scripts are ok. Also, are there any that have "macro" capability? I need source, because this will probably be going on a 6/32 machine. Please respond by mail. 21-Apr-86 07:30:57-MST,2990;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 07:30:40-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa00713; 21 Apr 86 7:57 EST Date: Sat, 19 Apr 86 16:41:17 EST From: Eric Stork Subject: Simple KAYPRO Fix To: STORK@mit-mc.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].889341.860419.STORK> KAYPRO owners should be interested in a frequently-occurring harware problem, and in a simple, virtually no-cost cost fix. . I learned about the fix from Ray Kester of Springfield, VA, to whom I'd been referred for help in fixing the KAYPRO my son uses in college. . Ray suggested that before I bring him the unit, I check what he had discovered to be a very frequent problem on KAYPROs. . Ray's advice was right on the money - I pass his advice to the net so that others can benefit. THE SYMPTOM: The KAYPRO won't work. The screen may light up and the "Insert Disk ..." message may appear, but the 'A' Drive light won't go on and the computer won't boot. THE PROBLEM: Especially on units older than the '84' series, the male connector on the power-supply board was not well soldered to the foil. . Over time, one of the ten connector pins may separate electrically from the foil. . The disconnect may be intermittent or load-dependent - the presence of all voltages does NOT prove that the problem does not exist. THE FIX: Obvious, but here it is step-by-step. . The power supply board is mounted on the rear panel of the unit, below and at right angles to the main board. . Remove the cover (ten screws). Unplug the ten-pin connector from the power supply board and note its orientation. . Remove the four screws that hold the power supply board to the rear panel, slip off the cable loops that may be attached to the power supply's plastic 'legs', and take out the board. (It helps also to remove the diagonal strut that is attached to the bottom and rear panels for rigidity.) . Using a small-wattage (15-25w) soldering iron and ROSIN core solder, firmly connect each of the ten connector pins to the foil (by flowing solder from the pin to the foil). .. The printed circuit board is quite sturdy and the connections to the board cover a large area. .. Even those who have never soldered a circuit board should be able to do this task after asking someone with experience for general advice on soldering circuit boards. . Reinstall the power supply board and plug in the connector (carefully check the connector's orientation). That's it. ### 21-Apr-86 07:31:57-MST,756;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 07:31:32-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001986; 21 Apr 86 8:13 EST Date: Sat, 19 Apr 86 20:31:31 EST From: Herb Lin Subject: DIRFILES.COM? To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].889509.860419.LIN> A recent message noted a program entitled DIRFILES.COM, and describes it as a public domain program which creates a listed directory of all files on a disk, to which a line of comment can be appended. It is used on most boards and by many individuals to identify the purpose of the various programs on the disk. Where does this program exist on public domain files? thanks. 21-Apr-86 08:04:22-MST,1027;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 08:04:06-MST Received: from csnet-relay.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003935; 21 Apr 86 8:52 EST Received: from umass-cs by csnet-relay.csnet id az04094; 19 Apr 86 1:19 EST Date: Fri, 18 Apr 86 13:20 EST From: "Neville D. Newman" To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: need to read CP/M files on microVAX drives The MicroVAX floppy drives are RX50's, the same as used in the Rainbow. We have a version of an old Unix program which read 8" CP/M disks from the console floppy of a VAX, but are having a hard time converting it to work for the 5.25" RX50's. Most of the problem stems from the face that we can't get good documentation on interleave factors, reserved tracks/sectors, etc. used by the MicroVAX. If anyone has tackled this problem, i would really like to hear from you. i hate looking at raw dumps. -neville CSNET: neville@umass 21-Apr-86 08:22:45-MST,893;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 08:22:29-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006152; 21 Apr 86 9:50 EST Date: 18 Apr 1986 17:25-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Lat/Long => UTM Conversion From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, info-ibmpc@USC-ISIB.ARPA Cc: abn.iscams@USC-ISID.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]18-Apr-86 17:25:08.ABN.ISCAMS> NetLandians, Does anyone out there have a nice piece of code (C, preferably) that converts between geographic coordinates (latitude/longitude) and UTM (military grid) coordinates? I have a couple of pieces of stuff, but nothing very clean and would have to be converted into C. Thanks in advance. (Please respond directly to me unless you pick up on a vast net interest.) David Kirschbaum ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID 21-Apr-86 09:42:27-MST,1736;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 09:42:06-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007366; 21 Apr 86 10:26 EST Received: from mitre-bedford.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 08:24:24-MST Full-Name: Trevor O. McCarthy Message-Id: <8604211515.AA17314@mitre-bedford.ARPA> From: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA In_Real_Life: Trevor O. McCarthy Organization: The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA. Phone: (617) 275-2625 (or 2222) Subject: BULLETIN BOARD STUFF Date: Mon, 21 Apr 86 10:14:58 -0500 Sender: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA Hi all, I'm looking for several peices of information: I'm starting a financial affairs/venture capitalists bulletin board at home; I am looking for good public domain bulletin board software for an APPLE IIe in both CPM and DOS or PRODOS. Any recommendations on regular (store bought) CPM or other bulletin board packages for the APPLE IIe would be appreciated; send ANY comments, advice, or experience trivia directly to me; I will summarize all to the nets. ANY person who has direct experience setting up or running a BB would be especially appreciated. PART II I was looking through a DAK catalog recently, and saw a MODEM PHONE (computer- ized yellow pages they called it). As part of the sales promo, they said they had the address of a company that sold a directory of hundreds of bulletin boards: does anyone know what this company is and how to find them?? Anyone having lists or directories of bulletin boards, or who knows of a good bulletin board - pleas write. Thanks a lot, Trevor O. McCarthy The MITRE Corporation 21-Apr-86 17:10:55-MST,1188;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 17:10:42-MST Received: from acc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a022392; 21 Apr 86 18:32 EST Date: 21 Apr 86 15:14:00 PST From: shawn@ACC.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA Subject: To: info-cpm cc: tom@mitre-bedford.ARPA, shawn@acc.ARPA Reply-To: shawn@ACC.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA Tom: There are a couple of bulletin board lists available on Simtel20 through FTP. The path is pd: the major file is PBBS02A.LBR (a library file) with most of the bbs's listed. The other (I'm guessing from over a year ago) is PBBS-SUP.LBR ( a suplament to the above?) and for the RBBS type systems RCPM-UG.PRN I assume is the one for RBBS type systems that was split from the PBBS list last year. RCPMBGNR.DQC should be of help also. Hope this helps, I haven't used these files for at least a year so they may have changed the rules since then but I think that this directory is where you'll find what you want. If I can help further please contact me. shawn@acc.arpa shawn. ------ 21-Apr-86 21:39:08-MST,1093;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 21 Apr 86 21:39:00-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023241; 21 Apr 86 23:04 EST Date: Mon 21 Apr 86 21:02:59-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Updates to ZSYS archive To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12200750282.6.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> PD: Bytes(SZ) Also In ACREATE3.LBR.1 22144(8) PD: CLNDR13B.LBR.1 21376(8) PD: KQUESTNS.TXT.1 4254(7) PD: LDSK20.LBR.1 15488(8) PD: Z-NEWS.409.1 15254(7) .4Q9.1 9472(8) PD: ZSIG-FOR.ALL.1 7269(7) PD: Total of 46 pages in 7 files ACREATE3 is an ALIAS generator. CLNDR13B is an update to CLEANDIR. KQUESTNS are questions and answers about Echelon's auto-booting Z3 for Kaypros. LDSK20 allows the user to reference an LBR file as a disk. Z-NEWS is the latests Echelon newsletter. ZSIG-FOR.ALL is an update to the ZSIG announcement. ------- 22-Apr-86 17:12:30-MST,1462;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 22 Apr 86 17:12:22-MST Received: from ll.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006795; 22 Apr 86 16:38 EST Date: Tue 22 Apr 1986 16:34:45 EST From: SAGE@LL.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA Subject: CP/M Contacts in Europe To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: sage@ll.ARPA Message-ID: I will be in southwestern Germany from the end of May into the middle of June. While there I would like to make contact to CP/M enthusiasts in the area (especially southern Germany, Switzerland, eastern France). From my experience there last summer and from writing to the editors of several German computer magazines, there seem to be no major user groups such as we have in the United States (Boston Computer Society, SIG/M, CP/MUG, FOG, etc.). I am posting this message in hopes that some of you on the INFO-CPM distribution list, particularly those in Europe, might be able to suggest some contacts. I am particularly intereseted in bringing information about ZCPR3, the advanced CP/M-compatible operating system. I can be reached at the ARPANET address "SAGE@LL" or by mail at: Jay Sage Room C-128 Lincoln Laboratory PO Box 73 Lexington, MA 02173-0073 USA 23-Apr-86 14:56:35-MST,753;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 23 Apr 86 14:56:05-MST Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a026424; 23 Apr 86 16:11 EST Received: from (MATT)UMASS.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/23/86 at 15:10:58 CST Message-ID: <860423160324.0000015D.AEHR.AA@UMass> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 86 16:03:24 EST From: Matt Kimmel Reply-To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: ZCPR3 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Hi, What exactly is ZCPR3? I've heard it mentioned often, but never found out what it is... Thanks in advance for your help! Matt Kimmel, Matt%UMass.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA 23-Apr-86 18:16:25-MST,502;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 23 Apr 86 18:16:17-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a028363; 23 Apr 86 19:47 EST Date: Wed 23 Apr 86 17:45:31-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: ZCPR3 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: <860423160324.0000015D.AEHR.AA@UMass> Message-ID: <12201238623.10.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Sorry about the mass distribution ... his return address was to INFO-CPM. ------- 23-Apr-86 18:57:00-MST,24769;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 23 Apr 86 18:55:47-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a028357; 23 Apr 86 19:43 EST Date: Wed 23 Apr 86 17:41:40-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: ZCPR3 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: <860423160324.0000015D.AEHR.AA@UMass> Message-ID: <12201237920.10.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> .cw 11 .po 11 What's the Word on the Z-System? by Richard Conn and the Staff of Echelon Questions most asked about Z-System (ZCPR3 and ZRDOS): 1. Is ZCPR3 hard to bring up on my computer? What are my options? 2. How much memory does a Z-System take? 3. Do I have to have a hard disk to run the Z-System? How much disk space is needed? 4. How can I find out more about the Z-System? Answers and some basic facts are presented herein. EI Rev. 1.2 2/20/86 .heThe Word on the Z-System .pa .foQuestion 1: Bringing up ZCPR3 Page # QUESTION 1: Bringing up ZCPR3 --> 1. Is ZCPR3 hard to bring up on my computer? What are my options? ANSWER If you try to bring up ZCPR3 manually (following the installation instructions in ZCPR3: The Manual), the answer is yes. Experience in assembly-language programming is necessary. Source code to your BIOS is necessary. An understanding of CP/M and Z- System concepts is necessary. However, you may not have to bring ZCPR3 manually. There are options... ZCPR3 Installation Options OPTIONS Your basic options are: 1) Manual Installation o no cost (download the software) o complex with many options o requires knowledge of assembly language 2) Automatic Installation (Auto-Install) o commercial products: Z3-DOT-COM (includes all help files and all utilities in COM file form) $ 99.00 Z3-DOT-COM (without utilities) $ 49.95 Z-COM (full Z3-DOT-COM with ZRDOS) $119.00 ZRDOS (CP/M BDOS Replacement) $ 49.50 ZRDOS+ (ZRDOS with Public Dirs) $ 59.50 o write or call Echelon for current prices 3) Pre-installed for specific systems o soon to be released o write or call Echelon for availability/prices o target installations: Ampro Kaypro Eagle Morrow Epson QX-10 Osborne Heath/Zenith Micromint SB180 4) User Groups o major user groups often have complete ZCPR3 o examples: First Osborne user's Group (FOG) Tampa Bay Kaypro User's Group 5) Echelon Good-Neighbor Helper Roster ADDRESSES General: Echelon, Inc. 885 N. San Antonio Road Los Altos, CA 94022 USA Telephone: 415-948-3820 .pa Z-NODES For interaction on Z-Nodes (Remote Access Systems) and to ask questions: .po 4 .lh 6 .rm 79 NODE SYSOP CITY STATE ZIP RAS Phone 8 Thomas Hill, Anchorage, AK 99504 24 Barry L. Bowerman, Weaver, AL 36277 22 Thomas R. Bowerman, Anniston, AL 36201 205/238-0012 52 Wells Brimhall, Phoenix, AZ 85028 602/996-8739 20 Richard Driscoll, Phoenix, AZ 85008 44 Robert Gear, Phoenix, AZ 85014, 602/279-2762 35 Norman L. Beeler, Sunnyvale, CA 94086, 408/245-1420 34 Rod L. Blackman, Visalia, CA 93291, 209/739-8303 54 Clinton Cook, Merced, CA 95348, 209/383-6417 21 Robert Finch, Glendale, CA 91205 6 Andrew Hart, Palo Alto, CA 94306, 415/493-4506 2 Al Hawley, Los Angeles, CA 90056, 213/670-9465 * 57 Steve Kitahata, Gardena, CA 90247, 213/532-3336 1 David McCord, Fremont, CA 94536, 415/489-9005 36 Richard Mead, Pasadena, CA 91105, 818/799-1632 18 John Rovner, Union City, CA 94587 25 Douglas Thom, San Jose, CA 95129, 408/253-1309 19 Fred Townsend, San Jose, CA 95132, 408/262-5150 9 Roger Warren, San Diego, CA 92109, 619/270-3148 10 Rea Williams, El Toro, CA 92630, 714/855-0672 * 28 Stanley K. London, Aurora, CO 80013, 303/680-9825 53 Peter Glaskowsky, Miami, FL 33156, 305/235-1645 27 Charlie Hoffman, Tampa, FL 33629, 813/831-7276 * 32 Allan E. Levy, Satellite Beach, FL 32927 17 Robert B. Tate, Altamonte Springs, FL 32701, 305/831-6049 * 29 Edward C. Unrein, Altamonte Springs, FL 32701, 305/774-2591 * 51 Edward C. Unrein, Orlando, FL 32810, 305/295-0844 * 46 Jim S. Altman Atlanta, GA 30316, 404/627-7127 * 15 Richard Jacobson, Chicago, IL 60606, 312/649-1730 * 15 Richard Jacobson, Chicago, IL 60606, 312/664-1730 * 5 Ron Stone, Lisle, IL 60532, 312/420-1722 * 37 Marvin Eyre, Robards, KY 42452, 502/521-7011 3 Jay P. Sage, Newton Centre, MA 02159, 617/965-7259 * 43 John D'Ausilio, Bladensburg, MD 20710, 301/779-7986 * 41 Larry Mansfield Baltimore, MD 21214, 301/254-6277 30 Ben Ragan, St. Louis, MO 63134, 314/423-7038 48 Brian B. Riley, Indian Mills, NJ 08088, 609/268-9597 11 Michael M. Ward, Voorhees, NJ 08043, 609/428-8864 23 Charles Boghosian, Durham, NC 27712, 919/383-6595 42 Jay Denebeim, Durham, NC 27705, 919/471-6436 * 14 Rich Rodeheaver, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068, 614/864-2673 * 47 Tom R. Keith, Ponca City, OK 74601, 405/762-1651 49 Kevin Dobb, Medford, OR 97504 * 38 Robert L. Paddock, Franklin, PA 16323, 814/437-5647 4 Don Buzzingham, College Station, TX 77843, 409/845-8931 56 Terry Carroll, Bedford, TX 76021, 817/283-9167 33 Mark R. Evans, San Angelo, TX 76904 31 Richard A. Petersen, El Paso, TX 79904, 915/821-3638 * 45 Richard K. Reid, Houston, TX 77088, 713/937-8886 39 Jon Schneider, El Paso, TX 79936, 915/592-4976 * 12 Norm Gregory, Seattle, WA 98122, 206/325-1325 * 7 Tim Linehan, Olympia, WA 98502, 206/357-6757 16 Jud Newell, Islington, Ontario M9A 1A7 CANADA, 416/231-9202 * 40 Terry Smythe, Winnipeg, Manitoba R3N 0T2 CANADA, 204/452-5529 * 26 Robert Kuhmann, Belle Etoile, par St. Martin de la Brasque 84760 FRANCE, 011-33-90-77-60-15 (from USA) * 50 Mark Little, Alice Springs, N.T. Australia 5750 011-61 (089) 528 852 (from USA) * Notes: 1) Asterisk (*) indicates node is a downloader of Echelon proprietary software. Ask node Sysop for procedure. 2) Lack of RAS (Remote Access System) telephone number indicates node presently may not be up but should be within two months, or we have not yet received number. 3) When updating or correcting ZNODESnn.LST for errors, please increment list number (nn), change date to current, and upload to Z-Node Central, 415/489-9005. .po 11 .lh 8 .rm 65 .pa .foQuestion 2: How Much Memory is Used? Page # QUESTION 2: How Much Memory is Taken Up by a Z-System? --> 2. How much memory does a Z-System take? ANSWER A Z-System can take up a lot of memory, but it can also take as little as 1K, depending on how it's installed. I have run the following programs in a full-up Z-System (which takes 5K more than a similar CP/M system), and they have worked well for my applications: dBase II BDS C WordStar C/80 SpellStar Pascal/MT+ MailMerge MultiPlan StarIndex ASM, MAC, M80, ZAS MBASIC Z-MSG CBASIC2 There are some programs which hog so much TPA that they can't run under my full-up Z-System, but I don't use them or need them for my applications. The impact on memory is really not that significant if you look at a true picture... Z-SYSTEM Compared to CP/M Memory Maps  CP/M Minimum ZCPR3 Full ZCPR3 No Overhead 1K Overhead 5K Overhead --------------------- -_Overhead_____- ---------------- - BIOS (1.5K) and - - BIOS (1.5K) - - Overhead - 62 -_BDOS (3.5K) = 5K__- - ZRDOS (3.5K) - -______________- 60 -_CCP (2K)__________- ---------------- - BIOS (1.5K) - 58 - - --ZCPR3 (2K)---- - ZRDOS (3.5K) - 56 - 57K TPA - - - ---------------- 54 - - - 56K TPA - --ZCPR3 (2K)---- 52 - - - - - - 50 - - - - - 52K TPA - 48 - - - - - - 46 ... ... - - - - - - 4 - - - - - - 2 --------------------- ---------------- ---------------- 0 % of Memory Occupied by Operating System: 10.9% 12.5% 18.8% Functionality Enhancements over CP/M: None Shells Shells Named Dirs Named Dirs Public Dirs Public Dirs Multiple Cmds Multiple Cmds Terminal Cap Terminal Cap External FCB External FCB Messages Messages Z3 Data Base Z3 Data Base I/O Package Flow Cmd Package Resident Cmd Package Note: Percentages change if BIOS Sizes vary from 1.5K given above. Breakdown of BIOS Overhead Growth BIOS Size Standard CP/M Minimum ZCPR3 Maximum ZCPR3 --------- ------------- ------------- ------------- 1.5K 7K = 10.9% 8K = 12.5% 12K = 18.8% 2.5K 8K = 12.5% 9K = 14.1% 13K = 20.3% 3.5K 9K = 14.1% 10K = 15.6% 14K = 21.9% 4.5K 10K = 15.6% 11K = 17.2% 15K = 23.4% 5.5K 11K = 17.2% 12K = 18.8% 16K = 25.0% Note: nK = p% indicates the size of the system in K (BIOS + BDOS + CPR) and the percentage of the total memory taken up by the operating system. In my case, I am running a Maximum ZCPR3 with a 5.5K BIOS overhead, so this leaves a 48K TPA (64K - 16K System) which expands to 50K if the program overlays ZCPR3. All my programs, including WordStar and dBASE II continue to run, and I have full ZCPR3 features. Even with this argument, people will still ignore the vast gains in functionality and capability offered by ZCPR3 and Z- System and concentrate on their single-minded fixation with TPA (for reasons no one has adequately explained to me). A future ZCPR3 release, ZCPRB3, will offer a banked memory system with at least a 60K TPA (now, that should make them happy). Note that I am not moving to a banked system on their account, but as a step toward multitasking--something I really want. .foQuestion 3: How Much Disk Space is Used? Page # QUESTION 3: Must I have a hard disk to run the Z-System? --> 3. Do I have to have a hard disk to run the Z-System? How much disk space is needed? ANSWER No. The Z-System runs better on a hard disk...because everything runs better on a hard disk. Also, a hard disk runs better on a Z-System because of all the programs and features which support the hard disk: Named directories with passwords Public directories under ZRDOS+ Paths Shells Special commands, like CD (Change Directory) Most Z-System features are practical regardless of the disk used. The following shows some disk configurations, from a full-up hard disk (over 1 megabyte of support files) to a minimum system (less than 40K-bytes of support files)... .pa How Much Disk Space Does a Z-System Require? 1. Listing below shows my hard disk, which is extensive: .lh 6 XDIR III, Version 2.0 Vertical Listing by File Type/Name Disk: A User: 15 Name: ROOT, File Attributes: Non-System System Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ VITALS .BAD 4 CPY .COM 4 EDXLT .COM 8 VFILER .CMD 4 CRC .COM 8 ERASE .COM 4 AC .COM 8 DDT .COM 8 ERROR1 .COM 4 ALIAS .COM 4 DEFDIR .COM 4 ERROR2 .COM 4 BAD .COM 28 DEV .COM 4 ERROR3 .COM 4 BANNER .COM 4 DEVICE .COM 4 ERROR4 .COM 4 BOOTHD .COM 4 DIFF .COM 4 ERRORX .COM 4 CALENDAR.COM 16 DIR .COM 4 FINDBAD .COM 4 CAT .COM 4 DPROG .COM 4 FINDERR .COM 4 CATFREE .COM 4 DSD .COM 16 FINDF .COM 4 CCOPY .COM 4 DSDZ .COM 16 FORMAT2 .COM 4 CD .COM 4 DU3 .COM 12 FORMATHD.COM 8 CLEANDIR.COM 4 DUMP .COM 4 GOTO .COM 4 CMD .COM 4 ECHO .COM 4 HDSYSGEN.COM 4 CMDRUN .COM 4 ED .COM 8 HELP .COM 4 COMMENT .COM 4 EDCST .COM 8 HELPCK .COM 4 COMP .COM 4 EDTMC .COM 8 HELPPR .COM 8 CPSEL .COM 4 EDTXD .COM 8 IF .COM 4 Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ IFSTAT .COM 4 MSG .COM 4 SAK .COM 4 INUSE .COM 4 MU3 .COM 4 SCRAMBLE.COM 4 IOBUG .COM 16 NOTE .COM 4 SETFILE .COM 4 IOINIT .COM 4 NULU .COM 16 SGEN .COM 4 KERMIT .COM 16 PAGE .COM 8 SH .COM 4 LDR .COM 4 PATH .COM 4 SHCTRL .COM 4 LGET .COM 4 PIP .COM 8 SHDEFINE.COM 4 LHELP .COM 4 PRINT .COM 8 SHFILE .COM 4 LLF .COM 8 PROTECT .COM 4 SHOW .COM 8 LRUN .COM 4 PWD .COM 4 SHSET .COM 4 LX .COM 4 Q .COM 4 SHVAR .COM 4 MBASIC .COM 24 QUIET .COM 4 SQ .COM 16 MCOPY .COM 8 RCOPY .COM 4 STARTUP .COM 4 MEMTEST .COM 4 RECORD .COM 4 STAT .COM 8 MENU .COM 8 REG .COM 4 SUB .COM 4 MENUCK .COM 4 REGEN .COM 4 T3ANSWER.COM 4 MKDIR .COM 8 REMOTE .COM 16 T3DIAL .COM 8 MOVE .COM 4 RENAME .COM 4 T3FILER .COM 16 Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ T3FLUSH .COM 4 TCSELECT.COM 4 ZDM .COM 8 T3HANGUP.COM 4 TESTERR .COM 4 ZDMH .COM 8 T3INIT .COM 4 TIME .COM 8 ZDMZ .COM 8 T3INS .COM 8 UNERASE .COM 4 ZEX .COM 8 T3LOGCHG.COM 8 USQ .COM 12 ZSID .COM 12 T3LOGCK .COM 8 VALIAS .COM 8 BAD .DOC 8 T3LOGIN .COM 12 VDO .COM 8 NOTESHD .DOC 16 T3MASTER.COM 16 VERROR .COM 4 P1350 .DPG 4 T3MONRPT.COM 4 VFILER .COM 16 STD .DPG 4 T3NOTE .COM 4 VIEW .COM 4 TEXT .DPG 4 T3SELMOD.COM 4 VMENU .COM 8 TVI950 .DPG 4 T3SEND .COM 4 VMENUCK .COM 4 SYS .ENV 4 T3SERVER.COM 8 VTYPE .COM 8 SYS .FCP 4 T3TERM .COM 12 WHEEL .COM 4 SYS .IOP 4 T3TERMB .COM 8 WM .COM 12 SYS .NDR 4 T3TEST .COM 4 XD .COM 4 DEBUG .RCP 4 T3VIEW .COM 8 XDIR .COM 8 SYS .RCP 4 TCCHECK .COM 4 Z3INS .COM 4 Z3TCAP .TCP 12 TCMAKE .COM 8 Z3LOC .COM 4 164 Files Using 1052K, 299 Files on Disk and 2088K Left .lh 8 .pa 2. Next, a "reasonable" systems disk: .lh 6 Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ VFILER .CMD 1 LDR .COM 3 UNERASE .COM 2 AC .COM 5 LGET .COM 4 VALIAS .COM 7 ALIAS .COM 4 LHELP .COM 4 VERROR .COM 2 CD .COM 1 LLF .COM 5 VFILER .COM 13 CLEANDIR.COM 2 LX .COM 3 VMENU .COM 8 COMP .COM 3 MCOPY .COM 5 VTYPE .COM 6 CPSEL .COM 1 MENU .COM 5 WHEEL .COM 2 CRC .COM 6 MKDIR .COM 6 WM .COM 10 DEV .COM 2 MOVE .COM 2 XD .COM 4 DIR .COM 3 PATH .COM 2 XDIR .COM 8 DPROG .COM 3 PRINT .COM 6 ZDM .COM 6 DU3 .COM 12 PWD .COM 2 ZEX .COM 5 ECHO .COM 1 RENAME .COM 4 SYS .ENV 1 ERASE .COM 3 SAK .COM 1 SYS .FCP 1 ERROR3 .COM 1 SH .COM 4 SYS .IOP 2 ERRORX .COM 1 SHCTRL .COM 1 SYS .NDR 1 FINDF .COM 2 SHOW .COM 8 SYS .RCP 2 GOTO .COM 1 STARTUP .COM 1 HELP .COM 4 SUB .COM 3 55 Files Using 205K, 55 Files on Disk and 36K Left 3. And an even "more reasonable" systems disk: XDIR III, Version 2.0 Vertical Listing by File Type/Name Disk: C User: 15 Name: BACKROOT, File Attributes: Non-System Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ VFILER .CMD 1 LGET .COM 4 VALIAS .COM 7 AC .COM 5 LHELP .COM 4 VERROR .COM 2 CLEANDIR.COM 2 LLF .COM 5 VFILER .COM 13 COMP .COM 3 LX .COM 3 VMENU .COM 8 CPSEL .COM 1 MENU .COM 5 WM .COM 10 CRC .COM 6 PATH .COM 2 XD .COM 4 DEV .COM 2 PRINT .COM 6 ZEX .COM 5 DPROG .COM 3 SAK .COM 1 SYS .ENV 1 ERROR3 .COM 1 SH .COM 4 SYS .FCP 1 ERRORX .COM 1 SHCTRL .COM 1 SYS .IOP 2 GOTO .COM 1 STARTUP .COM 1 SYS .NDR 1 HELP .COM 4 SUB .COM 3 SYS .RCP 2 LDR .COM 3 UNERASE .COM 2 38 Files Using 130K, 38 Files on Disk and 111K Left 4. Finally, two "minimum" systems disks: XDIR III, Version 2.0 Vertical Listing by File Type/Name Disk: C User: 15 Name: BACKROOT, File Attributes: Non-System Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ VFILER .CMD 1 MENU .COM 5 WM .COM 10 CLEANDIR.COM 2 PRINT .COM 6 XD .COM 4 DEV .COM 2 SAK .COM 1 ZEX .COM 5 DPROG .COM 3 STARTUP .COM 1 SYS .ENV 1 ERROR3 .COM 1 SUB .COM 3 SYS .FCP 1 ERRORX .COM 1 UNERASE .COM 2 SYS .IOP 2 GOTO .COM 1 VALIAS .COM 7 SYS .NDR 1 LDR .COM 3 VERROR .COM 2 SYS .RCP 2 LHELP .COM 4 VFILER .COM 13 26 Files Using 84K, 26 Files on Disk and 157K Left XDIR III, Version 2.0 Vertical Listing by File Type/Name Disk: C User: 15 Name: BACKROOT, File Attributes: Non-System Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K Filename.Typ Size K -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ -------- --- ------ VFILER .CMD 1 UNERASE .COM 2 SYS .FCP 1 DEV .COM 2 VERROR .COM 2 SYS .IOP 2 ERRORX .COM 1 VFILER .COM 13 SYS .NDR 1 LDR .COM 3 XD .COM 4 SYS .RCP 2 STARTUP .COM 1 SYS .ENV 1 14 Files Using 36K, 14 Files on Disk and 205K Left .lh 8 .pa .foQuesiton 4: How Can I Find Out More? Page # QUESTION 4: How can I find out more about the Z-System? --> 4. How can I find out more about the Z-System? ANSWER There are lots of ways: o talking to Z-System users o magazines o books o user's groups o Echelon Newsletters (Z-NEWS) o Echelon, Inc. While the first documentation on the Z-System was very technical, Echelon and its friends are producing more and more user-oriented documentation which is aimed at the non-technical user. Many, many magazine articles have also come out with the intention of aiding the non-technical user in understanding what the Z-System does for him. The documentation is abundant... Z-System Documentation o Lots of magazine articles (BYTE, Profiles, Remark, etc.) o Books and Newsletters (Echelon has current prices) ZCPR3: The Manual (over 300 pages, bound) $19.95 alone $24.00 with newsletter for 6-month data: over 8,000 sold now in 2nd printing ZCPR3 and IOPs (50 pages, loose-leaf) $ 9.95 available on Z-Nodes for downloading ZRDOS Programmer's Manual (35 pages, loose-leaf) $ 8.95 Z-System Newsletter called Z-News (every 2 weeks) available on Z-Nodes for downloading printed version free from Echelon for 6 months with $44.00+ order subscription $24.00 per year, printed version Z-System Newsletter Indexed Compendium (no date yet) summary of first series of newsletters with extensive index ZRDOS: The Manual (expected 1 April 86) ZCPR3: The Libraries (expected 17 Feb 86) ZCPR3: For the User (expected 1 July 86) Z-System User's Guide Series (by Bruce Morgan, et al) Getting Started (expected 1 March 86) Using ZEX (no date yet) Using Shells (no date yet) Using Aliases (no date yet) ... ------- 23-Apr-86 21:59:33-MST,898;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 23 Apr 86 21:59:26-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001858; 23 Apr 86 23:18 EST Date: Wed, 23 Apr 86 23:10:34 EST From: Brint Cooper To: info-cpm@BRL.ARPA Subject: Good Sort Program Needed I need a sort program with these features: handles variable-length records records are CR/LF terminated fields within records are delimited by arbitrary character - in this case a comma file is large - will not fit in memory - must sort disk file. I believe I went through the PD archives thoroughly without finding one although SORTV came close. Have I missed one? Does anyone have any other ideas? Send mail or post, as you wish. Thanks, Brint Cooper ARPA: abc@brl.arpa UUCP: ...{seismo,decvax,cbosgd}!brl!abc 23-Apr-86 23:04:14-MST,1114;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 23 Apr 86 23:04:01-MST Received: from mit-ai.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002114; 24 Apr 86 0:33 EST Date: Wed, 23 Apr 86 23:29:40 EST From: "Paul R. Grupp" Subject: LDSK20 *NOT* for .LBR files! To: RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-reply-to: Msg of Mon 21 Apr 86 21:02:59-MST from Rick Conn Message-ID: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].30369.860423.GRUPP> From: Rick Conn To: info-cpm at AMSAA.ARPA Re: Updates to ZSYS archive PD: Bytes(SZ) Also In ... LDSK20.LBR.1 15488(8) PD: ... LDSK20 allows the user to reference an LBR file as a disk. ----- This file does NOT allow you to reference a .LBR as a disk (too bad, would be nice)... Instead it does read all user areas of a drive, looking for -filename entries, and adds these names to the named_dir_buffer. This was intended for logging in flopy drives' named directory entries automatically. -Paul 24-Apr-86 15:43:27-MST,500;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 24 Apr 86 15:43:11-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005873; 24 Apr 86 17:10 EST Date: Thu 24 Apr 86 15:07:57-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: LDSK20 *NOT* for .LBR files! To: GRUPP@mit-ai.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].30369.860423.GRUPP> Message-ID: <12201472081.18.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Sorry about the confusion. ------- 24-Apr-86 16:40:14-MST,3525;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 24 Apr 86 16:40:02-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006326; 24 Apr 86 18:08 EST Date: Thu 24 Apr 86 16:04:13-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: Zsys To: GRUPP@mit-ai.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: <[AI.AI.MIT.EDU].30377.860424.GRUPP> Message-ID: <12201482326.18.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> Paul, Re your message ... "... I noticed that each file starts with LXI H,SYSENV ;pointer to sys env CALL ???INIT ;init for program and I assume that it is the address after the LXI instruction that the install program fills in. If this is the case then why not replace that code with LHLD zero_page_pointer_to_SYSENV CALL ???INIT this would mean that the tools could be run WITHOUT (re)installing! It seems to me that this would be a big plus for people that have many systems, or that load systems of different memory sizes. A side feature would be that you could load more than one ENV table for debugging or what ever and just have to change ONE pointer to use the other one." -- Your suggestion would be nice, but there is a problem in that there is no "free" space on page zero which would provide two bytes (or even one byte for a page address) that can be guaranteed to be free in all CP/M implementations ... note that the "standard" external path location is a variable since some implementations use this area for BIOS constants; take heart, tho, for in ZCPR 3.3 (the new version which will go into beta test soon), there are many radical differencences, one being that the tools do NOT require installation (the address of the ENV is passed in HL from the ZCPR 3.3). "Also I was wondering why there was a POINTER -in- the ENV_table that points to the WHEEL_byte instead of the actual WHEEL_byte itself? This would save one byte in the ENV and free up the zero_page entry for something else (maybe the pointer to sys_env), and it would also save programs from having to index to get to the wheel_pointer then index to wheel from the pointer. I thought that maybe this was because many programs have the wheel address "hard-wired-in" but can't think of any that use wheel that don't allow you to change the address... This change would also mean that this would no longer be necessary for Z-systems, while everyone else could still patch as always." -- Two years ago, when I completed ZCPR 3, I was concerned with having TWO wheel bytes on a RAS (Remote Access System) - one wheel byte which was implemented by some other user software, and one for the ZCPR3. With the evolution of ZCPR 3.3 into an os/comm system, of which I have total control, this concern is gone, and ZCPR 3.3 now has a Wheel BIT in the ENV as well as a variety of access control bits "I sure think the idea of non-installed tools is a great hack! So what did I miss, you're far too great a programmer to have passed this up with out some good reason." -- non-installed tools are now common under ZCPR 3.3, as well as built-in CM; you should try to come to my talks (like the one I just gave at Trenton, which was packed) - lots of details are coming out there and in planned articles as well as Z-News; ZCPR 3.3 forms the basis for ZCPRB3 (Banked ZCPR3) and ZCPRM3 (Multitasking ZCPR3), so the non-installed tools are here to stay, as well as the new CM system and communications system attributes of the Z System Rick ------- 24-Apr-86 17:44:22-MST,1793;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 24 Apr 86 17:44:11-MST Received: from cisl-service-multics.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006505; 24 Apr 86 19:15 EST Received: FROM HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA BY CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA WITH dial; 24 APR 1986 18:53:21 EST Posted-Date: 24 Apr 86 16:44 MST Date: Thu, 24 Apr 86 16:43 MST From: Jerry Crow Subject: Text Reply-To: JCrow%PCO-Multics@CISL-SERVICE-MULTICS.ARPA To: GRUPP@mit-ai.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <860424234347.600254@HIS-PHOENIX-MULTICS.ARPA> LDSK20.LBR.1 15488(8) PD: LDSK20 allows the user to reference an LBR file as a disk. This file does NOT allow you to reference a .LBR as a disk (too bad, would be nice)... It is nice ... Note that there *is* software which permits a .LBR file to be addressed as a disk. The version I have is 2.2, but there may be a later version. Don't know if it is stored at SIMTEL or not. As I recall, my version came by way of the Meadowlark BBS in Canada. The relevant file is LBRDSK22.LBR. It contains a program which implements, in CP/M 2.2, a facility similar to the CP/M 3.0 RSX. This RSX "installer" is then used to instantiate an RSX which implements the ".LBR as a disk" capability. I am not a heavy user of the software, but I have some friends who use it all the time. There is some problem related to my hard drive BIOS/ROM (Kaypro 10) and I've never had the ambition to track it down, primarily because I don't have the source for the software. My friends have machines with floppys, and they have not had any trouble. /Jerry 24-Apr-86 19:23:29-MST,2971;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 24 Apr 86 19:23:15-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006667; 24 Apr 86 20:54 EST Date: Thu, 24 Apr 86 20:53:06 EST From: Eric Stork Subject: FIX for Sick KAYPROs To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[MC.LCS.MIT.EDU].893728.860424.STORK> KAYPRO owners should be interested in a frequently-occurring harware problem, and in a simple, virtually no-cost cost fix. . I learned about the fix from Ray Kester of Springfield, VA, to whom I'd been referred for help in fixing the KAYPRO my son uses in college. . Ray suggested that before I bring him the unit, I check what he had discovered to be a very frequent problem on KAYPROs. . Ray's advice was right on the money - I pass his advice to the net so that others can benefit. THE SYMPTOM: The KAYPRO won't work. The screen may light up and the "Insert Disk ..." message may appear, but the 'A' Drive light won't go on and the computer won't boot. THE PROBLEM: Especially on units older than the '84' series, the male connector on the power-supply board was not well soldered to the foil. . Over time, one of the ten connector pins may separate electrically from the foil. . The disconnect may be intermittent or load-dependent - the presence of all voltages does NOT prove that the problem does not exist. THE FIX: Obvious, but here it is step-by-step. . The power supply board is mounted on the rear panel of the unit, below and at right angles to the main board. . Remove the cover (ten screws). Unplug the ten-pin connector from the power supply board and note its orientation. . Remove the four screws that hold the power supply board to the rear panel, slip off the cable loops that may be attached to the power supply's plastic 'legs', and take out the board. (It helps also to remove the diagonal strut that is attached to the bottom and rear panels for rigidity.) . Using a small-wattage (15-25w) soldering iron and ROSIN core solder, firmly connect each of the ten connector pins to the foil (by flowing solder from the pin to the foil). .. The printed circuit board is quite sturdy and the connections to the board cover a large area. .. Even those who have never soldered a circuit board should be able to do this task after asking someone with experience for general advice on soldering circuit boards. . Reinstall the power supply board and plug in the connector (carefully check the connector's orientation). That's it. ### 24-Apr-86 21:44:09-MST,752;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 24 Apr 86 21:43:58-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007082; 24 Apr 86 23:18 EST Date: Thu 24 Apr 86 21:16:34-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Next ZCPR3 Talk To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12201539188.12.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> My next ZCPR3 talk, which includes details on ZCPR 3.3 and the others, is set for Computerfest(tm) '86 at Hara Arena in Dayton, Ohio. It is sponsored by the Dayton Microcomputer Association, and takes place from 23 to 24 August. For information, call Mark Hanslip at 513/268-7225 or write: COMPUTERFEST 86 143 Schloss Ln. Dayton, OH 45418-2931 Rick ------- 26-Apr-86 22:38:20-MST,981;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 26 Apr 86 22:38:09-MST Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003336; 27 Apr 86 0:09 EST Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a013667; 26 Apr 86 23:54 EST From: Alex Hwang Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Developing Z80 code on IBM PC Message-ID: <2763@sdcrdcf.UUCP> Date: 22 Apr 86 19:46:44 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am in a situaion where I need to develop code on an IBM-PC but the debugged code is going to run on a custom Z80 board. I am interested in any information relating to the following : 1. Z80 or CP/M cards on IBM-PC. 2. Cross-compiler or cross-assembler between 8088 and Z80. 3. 1Mbit EPROM or EEPROM burner with interface to IBM-PC. 4. Any development tools, software or hardware, that can help me develop, download, and debug code on IBM-PC for Z80 CPU. Thanks. Alex Hwang 27-Apr-86 04:55:30-MDT,5838;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 27 Apr 86 04:55:11-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003870; 27 Apr 86 6:30 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a017148; 27 Apr 86 6:21 EDT From: clewis%mnetor.uucp@BRL.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: req. C compiler Message-ID: <3362@mnetor.UUCP> Date: 22 Apr 86 14:30:40 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <85@brl-smoke.ARPA> Ghenis.pasa@xerox.ARPA writes: >Small-C is cute, but non-standard. For as little as $39.95 you can get >MIX-C, which claims to be full K&R standard compatible, and comes with a >400 page manual and tutorial (a very good value, in my opinion). The >tradeoff is it doesn't produce very efficient code. There are other C >compilers for CP/M for under $100, see magazines like Byte, Dr. Dobbs, >etc for ads. If you're interested in learning about compilers, Q/C comes >with full source for itself written in C ($99 for the whole package). I think you're confusing "Small-C" with "Tiny-C". Tiny-C isn't really C, its syntax is rather different. If I recall correctly, Tiny-C was an interpretive language, and about the first thing even close to C on the market for micros. I think that it came without machine-readable media, and you had to type in the interpreter code (but I may be completely out of wack). I think that it was the first package Lifeboat ever distributed. Small-C V1.0 was written by Ron Cain, complete sources including bare-bones 8080 run-time support were published in Dr. Dobbs about 4-5 years ago. It's syntax was *almost* completely compatible with C (only a minor bitch or two - which we fixed), and it is a subset: was missing a couple of statement types, only allowed the following declarations: char ... char *... char ...[] int ... int * int ...[] (No structs, unions, initializers, longs, unsigneds, floats, doubles, or more than one "indirection"), and a few other minor glitches (eg: missing all of the assignment operators except "=" etc.). It was a fairly impressive achievment even so - Ron Cain had obviously never seen a compiler before (eg: it had no true "scanner" - which would have speeded it up rather drastically), and, inspite of the drastic subsetting, could compile itself rather handily - on a single SSSD 8" CPM disk! Small-C didn't optimize the output (assembler by the way) at all. Even so, we were rather startled to see its generated code outperforming interpretive BASICs by two orders of magnitude, and some commercially available (and expensive) Pascals by a factor of 5 (this was on a 6809). I included Small-C into my M.Sc. thesis (on the implementation of Concurrent Euclid, and compiler benchmarks) just for laughs - the benchmarks weren't all that bad. A friend of mine wrote an awk-based assembler optimizer that got size gains of %40 (and higher speed gains), still without even folding constant expressions. This same friend of mine and I typed the sources in, and over a year or so, got it ported and self-compiling on 8080's, 6809's, pdp11's, vaxes and a few other machines I can't remember. It was neat - only took about 8 hours of work to port to a new machine once you understood how the code generator worked. My friend, inspired by playing around with the guts, went on to reimplement it completely using proper compiler techniques and "heavy" optimization. [PT? Are you listening? Or, have you forgotten CPM altogether? How about uploading SCC V3 one of these days - if you can find it...) Since then I've extended a version (8080, 6809, pdp11 and vax targets) so as to add all of the statements that were missing, plus ensure that all operators were implemented plus a lot of other things. I've often thought about adding structs and initializers etc., but I'm afraid that without optimization the durn thing won't fit in 56k. Further, I've "disconnected" the compiler's front end from machine-dependencies - I have an archive containing the compiler's front end binaries, you merely have to link in a different code generator (about 9K of source) to retarget the compiler to a different machine. We used to do cross-compile the compiler, download the resultant assembler to the target, assemble and link, and voila! It's a great compiler to cut your teeth on - accompanied by a compiler construction book it makes a great learning experience. About 1 1/2 years later, someone else published in Dr. Dobbs a new version of Small-C (called Small-C V2.0) that had been greatly extended. However, V2.0 version is a subset of what I have now. During this time Dr. Dobbs published several C programs intended for use with this compiler, including a full-screen editor. Since this time, however, with the availability of full-blown C compilers really cheap, most people have been drifting away from Small-C. Regarding Q/C and MIX-C: unless my memory is completely faulty, *both* of these compilers *are* (or were) Small-C, but greatly extended. I'm absolutely certain Q/C is (which is why it's so cheap and why source is released). Both of them have been extended at least as far as structs/unions, but not floating point (I think). I would imagine that they don't optimize much either. If there's sufficient interest, I'll post the sources to the whole shebang on mod.sources. It may not be the best compiler (I'd recommend something better for serious work - even so, I know of at least one company that really uses it in their products), but it's fun to play with. And, if you *need* a "compiler" on a new machine, it's the fastest way to go. -- Chris Lewis, UUCP: {allegra, linus, ihnp4}!utzoo!mnetor!clewis BELL: (416)-475-8980 ext. 321 27-Apr-86 05:22:26-MDT,1821;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 27 Apr 86 05:22:13-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003899; 27 Apr 86 7:03 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a017890; 27 Apr 86 6:50 EDT From: madd%bucsb.uucp@BRL.ARPA, "lost in the Net....))"@BRL.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at BRL.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Small C Request Message-ID: <258@bucsb.UUCP> Date: 25 Apr 86 00:08:56 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA < take my life -- but not my line > In message <3362@mnetor.UUCP> clewis@mnetor.UUCP writes: >If there's sufficient interest, I'll post the sources to the whole >shebang on mod.sources. It may not be the best compiler (I'd recommend >something better for serious work - even so, I know of at least one company >that really uses it in their products), but it's fun to play with. And, >if you *need* a "compiler" on a new machine, it's the fastest way to go. I am *very* interested in the source to this. If there is not sufficient interest to post them, I would appreciate it if you would email the sources to me. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ : Jim Frost : "You just gotta smile through it" : : : "The Earth is just too small and fragile : : ..!harvard!bu-cs!bucsb!madd : a basket for mankind to keep all of its : : cscc71c%bostonu.bitnet@wiscvm : eggs in."--Robert A. Heinlein : : USnail: 75 Washington St : "What the hell, put 'em all in one : : Laconia, NH 03246 : basket"--Me : +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ 27-Apr-86 06:06:56-MDT,4103;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 27 Apr 86 06:06:43-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003957; 27 Apr 86 7:43 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a018935; 27 Apr 86 7:23 EDT From: John Pantone Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: req. C compiler Message-ID: <1845@calmasd.CALMA.UUCP> Date: 23 Apr 86 16:48:12 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <3362@mnetor.UUCP>, clewis@mnetor.UUCP (Chris Lewis) writes: > In article <85@brl-smoke.ARPA> Ghenis.pasa@xerox.ARPA writes: > >Small-C is cute, but non-standard. For as little as $39.95 you can get > >MIX-C, which claims to be full K&R standard compatible, and comes with a > >400 page manual and tutorial (a very good value, in my opinion). The > >tradeoff is it doesn't produce very efficient code. There are other C > >compilers for CP/M for under $100, see magazines like Byte, Dr. Dobbs, > >etc for ads. If you're interested in learning about compilers, Q/C comes > >with full source for itself written in C ($99 for the whole package). > > I think you're confusing "Small-C" with "Tiny-C". Tiny-C isn't really C, > its syntax is rather different. If I recall correctly, Tiny-C was an > interpretive language, and about the first thing even close to C on the > market for micros. I think that it came without machine-readable media, > and you had to type in the interpreter code (but I may be completely out > of wack). I think that it was the first package Lifeboat ever distributed. > > Small-C V1.0 was written by Ron Cain, complete sources including bare-bones > 8080 run-time support were published in Dr. Dobbs about 4-5 years ago. Dr. Dobbs' now offers the "latest and greatest" Small-C source on disk for around $30. And the documentation in book form for even less. > It's syntax was *almost* completely compatible with C (only a minor bitch > than one "indirection"), and a few other minor glitches (eg: missing all > of the assignment operators except "=" etc.). New version has all assignment operators, and multiple indirection. > It was a fairly impressive achievment even so - Ron Cain had obviously > never seen a compiler before (eg: it had no true "scanner" - which would have > speeded it up rather drastically), and, inspite of the drastic subsetting, > could compile itself rather handily - on a single SSSD 8" CPM disk! > > Small-C didn't optimize the output (assembler by the way) at all. Does so now - with a pee-hole optimizer compile-time option. [ a bunch of stuff deleted ...] > Regarding Q/C and MIX-C: unless my memory is completely faulty, *both* > of these compilers *are* (or were) Small-C, but greatly extended. I'm > absolutely certain Q/C is (which is why it's so cheap and why source > is released). Both of them have been extended at least as far as > structs/unions, but not floating point (I think). I would imagine that > they don't optimize much either. Q/C has an optional MATHPAK which extends the spec to include floating point. It does handle structures, but not unions (I think), and definately not bit fields. MIX is a full blown - K&R C, structs, unions, floating point - the whole shebang. It is not a fast compiler, nor does it produce very tight code, but it is far and away the cheapest full C compiler on the market. [more editing...] ===================================================================== = These opinions are mine, all mine and nothing but mine. = = They in no way reflect the opinions of my employer. = = = = John Pantone ...{ucbvax | decvax}!sdcsvax!calmasd!jnp = = GE/Calma jnp@calmasd.UUCP = = 9805 Scranton Rd. (619) 587-3125 = = San Diego CA 92121 = ===================================================================== 27-Apr-86 06:27:29-MDT,2008;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 27 Apr 86 06:27:21-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003959; 27 Apr 86 7:44 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a019204; 27 Apr 86 7:31 EDT From: James Johnson Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: word processing programs for CP/M ? Message-ID: <3295@ut-ngp.UUCP> Date: 25 Apr 86 18:20:59 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I would appreciate recommendations for a good word processing program and a compatible spelling checker for CP/M. The program must be configurable for a Zenith Z19 (Heath H19) terminal and an Okidata ML92 printer. It would be nice if it would support both the "correspondence quality" and the standard print modes of the ML92. Although I have CP/M 2.2, I will probably use Cromemco's CDOS, so CP/M 1.3 compatibility would be a plus. The CPU is a Z80, and the disks are dual 8inch with 1.2 megabytes each (no hard disk). Ease of use would be the most important feature after compatibility with my equipment. Cost would be next. For anything very fancy or complicated, I would expect to resort to an embedded command formatter (I'll take recommendations on those also). I am not very fond of Wordstar. I don't think it carries as much information in its document files as it ought to. WS can't seem to decide whether its a word processor, text editor, or an embedded command text formatter. However, if everyone thinks WS would be best, I might concede. That is, if someone can tell me where to buy a verion of WS for CP/M at a reasonable price. I would also appreciate pointers to reliable vendors of the software. Thanks in advance! -- James Lee Johnson, UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas 78712 ARPA: jjhnsn@ngp.cc.utexas.edu jjhnsn@ut-ngp.ARPA UUCP: ihnp4!ut-ngp!jjhnsn allegra!ut-ngp!jjhnsn gatech!ut-ngp!jjhnsn seismo!ut-sally!jjhnsn harvard!ut-sally!jjhnsn 27-Apr-86 07:10:22-MDT,1101;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 27 Apr 86 07:10:16-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004017; 27 Apr 86 8:48 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a020964; 27 Apr 86 8:32 EDT From: Steve Mazurek Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: BULLETIN BOARD STUFF Message-ID: <678@mb2c.UUCP> Date: 25 Apr 86 20:28:14 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > > I was looking through a DAK catalog recently, and saw a MODEM PHONE (computer- > ized yellow pages they called it). As part of the sales promo, they said they > had the address of a company that sold a directory of hundreds of bulletin > boards: does anyone know what this company is and how to find them?? > > Anyone having lists or directories of bulletin boards, or who knows of a good > bulletin board - pleas write. > I just happen to have this information: DAK Industries Incorporated 8200 Remmet Ave., Canoga Park, CA 91304 Orders: (800) 325-0800 Steven P. Mazurek (whereever I am) 28-Apr-86 19:33:30-MDT,1755;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 28 Apr 86 19:33:19-MDT Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023395; 28 Apr 86 20:55 EDT Received: from ($MAILER)UMDB.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/28/86 at 19:53:27 CDT Received: by UMDB (Mailer X1.23b) id 8260; Mon, 28 Apr 86 20:52:45 EDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 86 20:33 EDT From: MKATZ%UMDB.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA Subject: CPM-86 & FCBs To: Info Cpm newsletter I am trying to convert a Turbo Pascal Kermit that was written for CPM-80 & MS-DOS to CPM-86. The communications end of it is no problem, I have that from an earlier Kermit I converted for my system. The problem is a seemingly simple directory search. This starts off with BDOS function 17. It should be no big deal to change from CPM-80 to CPM-86, right ? Just change everything to put in SEGments in the right places and it should all work fine. Well, that doesn't work. On the first try (an automatic search for KERMIT.DEF) the RESULT is always 255, whether or not the file exists. On the next try, whether for a real file or not, wildcard or not, I get a BDOS error on D: Select, function 17 (which is the function I was trying at least...) I don't know what I am doing wrong. This should be very simple, even though I have never tried this before. When I run this, the first byte (drive) = 0, the name and type are set correctly, and I set the extent byte = 0 (which is what the manual says to do). I don't see what else I need to do. Please help ! Manasseh Katz I think you can reach me at: MKATZ@UMDB.UMD.EDU 28-Apr-86 20:10:58-MDT,996;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 28 Apr 86 20:10:50-MDT Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023224; 28 Apr 86 20:30 EDT Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1986 18:28 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: CP/M program author Eric Gans at UCLA Eric Gans has written many very useful CP/M-80 programs and continues to release new updates. I need to contact him but all I have is the following: Eric Gans French Dep't UCLA Los Angeles, CA 90024 ...which appears in each of his DOC files. Does anyone know if he's on the net? I'd like to find out what his favorite RCP/M is, in hopes of getting source code for some of his most recent updates. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA GEmail: W8SDZ uucp: {ihnp4,allegra,cmcl2,dual,decvax,mcnc,mcvax,vax135}!seismo!w8sdz 29-Apr-86 09:05:57-MDT,1677;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 29 Apr 86 09:05:34-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a029858; 29 Apr 86 10:23 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a014557; 29 Apr 86 10:06 EDT From: Tom Keller Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: BULLETIN BOARD STUFF Message-ID: <209@gilbbs.UUCP> Date: 27 Apr 86 23:11:56 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <678@mb2c.UUCP>, spm@mb2c.UUCP (Steve Mazurek) writes: > > > > I was looking through a DAK catalog recently, and saw a MODEM PHONE (computer- > > ized yellow pages they called it). As part of the sales promo, they said they > > had the address of a company that sold a directory of hundreds of bulletin > > boards: does anyone know what this company is and how to find them?? > > > > Anyone having lists or directories of bulletin boards, or who knows of a good > > bulletin board - pleas write. > > > > I just happen to have this information: > > DAK Industries Incorporated > 8200 Remmet Ave., > Canoga Park, CA 91304 > > Orders: (800) 325-0800 > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally *EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. Stay *AWAY* from them! -- Disclaimer: I hereby disclaim any and all responsibility for disclaimers. tom keller {ihnp4, dual}!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 (* we may not be big, but we're small! *) 29-Apr-86 10:27:10-MDT,961;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 29 Apr 86 10:25:14-MDT Received: from dec-marlboro.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002873; 29 Apr 86 12:01 EDT Date: 29 Apr 1986 1201-EDT From: YOUNG@dec-marlboro.ARPA To: Info-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Programming a Xerox 820-II Message-ID: <"MS11(5146)+GLXLIB0(4)-4" 12202716025.15.443.11103 at MARLBORO.DEC.COM> I have an old XEROX 820-II which I am using for packet radio purposes. Right now I am using it as a dumb terminal, running SMARTERM, but I would like to make it more clever. To do this, I have to know how to program the I/O port, and possibly how to handle interrupts from the keyboard. I would like to use DTR/DTS on the serial port. I'd prefer to do it in TURBO Pascal, but assembler is acceptable. Can someone tell me how to do this (or does someone have a code fragment I can look at)? Thanks, Paul Young, K1XM -------- 29-Apr-86 12:36:46-MDT,599;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 29 Apr 86 12:36:34-MDT Received: from mit-multics.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007308; 29 Apr 86 13:58 EDT Date: Tue, 29 Apr 86 13:53 EDT From: Boebert@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: Small C Challenge Question To: Boebert@HI-MULTICS.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860429175328.169641@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA> What's wrong with this function? (Small C Handbook, pg 183). sout(string,fd) char *string; int fd; { if (fputs(string, fd) == EOF) xout(); } Earl (Boebert -at MIT-Multics) 30-Apr-86 11:16:19-MDT,2005;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 30 Apr 86 11:16:04-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a024578; 30 Apr 86 11:58 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a001845; 30 Apr 86 11:52 EDT From: King Ables Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: BULLETIN BOARD STUFF (really DAK) Message-ID: <332@mcc-pp.UUCP> Date: 29 Apr 86 20:51:08 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <209@gilbbs.UUCP>, mc68020@gilbbs.UUCP (Tom Keller) writes: > > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally > *EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the > service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct > problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. > > Stay *AWAY* from them! This may be true for the people you know, but I've ordered 7 or 8 times from them and been *generally* pleased. The merchandise isn't HIGHEST quality, but it doesn't claim to be... it claims to be neat-o gee-whiz which it usually is. The one time I had a problem with something (I just didn't like it) I returned it and was sent a check very promptly. Given ANY mail-order place, a certain number of people are going to have trouble. The trick is figuring out if that number is a significantly large number. Maybe your friends have been extra-unlucky. Maybe I've been extra lucky. Hard to tell with just two examples. You might check with the BBB, usually they'll have something to say about any company that has had significant complaints made against it. Everyone I know who has dealt with DAK seems to think they're OK. -King ARPA: ables@mcc.arpa UUCP: {gatech,ihnp4,nbires,seismo,ucb-vax}!ut-sally!im4u!milano!mcc-pp!ables --- Specific disclaimer: I am *only* a happy DAK customer, nothing more. Generic disclaimer: Use only as directed, void where licensed or taxed. 30-Apr-86 13:22:00-MDT,1717;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 30 Apr 86 13:21:25-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021439; 30 Apr 86 10:10 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011475; 30 Apr 86 9:57 EDT From: Chuck McManis Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: DAK Industries Message-ID: <23@intelca.UUCP> Date: 29 Apr 86 20:09:26 GMT To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > > ... > A lot of info about DAK, which has been removed for the sake of clarity > ... > > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally > *EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the > service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct > problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. > > Stay *AWAY* from them! > > -- > Disclaimer: I hereby disclaim any and all responsibility for disclaimers. > > tom keller > {ihnp4, dual}!ptsfa!gilbbs!mc68020 > I guess I am the exception to the rule, I bought two of the hands of communicators from them about 6 months ago. They arrived on schedule and in perfect shape. A month later the microphone went out on one, I called them up they said send it back, I did and three weeks later I had a new unit. So much for statistics I guess. --Chuck -- - - - D I S C L A I M E R - - - {ihnp4,fortune}!dual\ All opinions expressed herein are my {qantel,idi}-> !intelca!cem own and not those of my employer, my {ucbvax,hao}!hplabs/ friends, or my avocado plant. :-} 30-Apr-86 13:23:09-MDT,1113;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 30 Apr 86 13:22:46-MDT Received: from brl-smoke.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021508; 30 Apr 86 10:12 EDT Received: from USENET by SMOKE.BRL.ARPA id a011684; 30 Apr 86 10:03 EDT From: pete%stc.co.uk@BRL.ARPA Newsgroups: net.wanted,net.micro.cpm,net.wanted.sources Subject: Z8E Documentation Request Message-ID: <961@bute.tcom.stc.co.uk> Date: 29 Apr 86 09:44:13 GMT Xref: brl-sem net.wanted:485 net.micro.cpm:224 net.wanted.sources:333 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Could some kind person please send me the full documentation for Z8E (the super Z80 debugger). I only have a command summary sheet. Please email me in the first instance to arrange this. There's no point in clogging the net with multiple copies (and I have no PTT shares!) Thank you for reading this message. Now, back to the music ... -- Peter Kendell ...!mcvax!ukc!stc!pete "If I could only be tough like him, Then I could win, My own, Small, Battle of the sexes." 30-Apr-86 13:35:06-MDT,1359;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 30 Apr 86 13:34:19-MDT Received: from mitre-bedford.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025724; 30 Apr 86 12:52 EDT Full-Name: Trevor O. McCarthy Message-Id: <8604301653.AA05101@mitre-bedford.ARPA> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, MA To: ables%mcc-pp.uucp@BRL.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA Subject: Re: BULLETIN BOARD STUFF (really DAK) In-Reply-To: Your message of 29 Apr 86 20:51:08 GMT. <332@mcc-pp.UUCP> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 86 12:53:21 -0500 From: tom@MITRE-BEDFORD.ARPA Hi all: Recently I sent out a message concerning DAK and a Modem Phone, and Bulletin Boards. I got back a lot of responses about DAK and how good or bad they were. I must have asked my question wrong. The company I rquested information about was NOT DAK, but the company that DAK's promo on the modem phone mentions. The ad for the modem phone says that DAK will send the name of a company that sells a major Bulletin Board directory (if you buy their modem phone). What I wanted was information about the company that printed the directory, and where I could get it, not about DAK itself...sorry for the mix-up. Does anybody Know the name of this company? Thanks, Trevor O. McCarthy The MITRE Corporation 30-Apr-86 14:05:42-MDT,884;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 30 Apr 86 14:05:17-MDT Received: from brl-bmd.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001118; 30 Apr 86 15:06 EDT Date: Wed, 30 Apr 86 14:49:49 EDT From: Joe Lacetera To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: RE: Tom Keller on DAK > I know innumerable peole who have made purchases from DAK. In literally >*EVERY* case, they have been thouroughly displeased with the products and the >service offered by DAK. The company will not make any effort to correct >problems, they will lie to you about schedules and anything else. > Stay *AWAY* from them! >(* we may not be big, but we're small! *)  Two years ago I bought an ink-jet printer from DAK for under $200.00 and have been *THOROUGHLY SATISFIED*. Change EVERY to n-1; n < innumerable. 30-Apr-86 19:58:34-MDT,1024;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 30 Apr 86 19:58:28-MDT Received: from wiscvm.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005137; 30 Apr 86 19:33 EDT Received: from (PFENNIGE)CGEUGE51.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU on 04/30/86 at 10:27:15 CDT Date: 30 APR 86 12:52-N From: PFENNIGER%CGEUGE51.BITNET@wiscvm.ARPA To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subj: SEIKOSHA SP-1000 printer I am thinking of buying the SEIKOSHA SP-1000 printer that are going these days for about $200. If anyone has bought one of these I would be most greatfull to have any comments, whether good or bad about these printers. Even those people that do not have one but have heard any comments I would still be greatfull to have any information. Many thanks in advance Brian Jarvis Observatoire de Geneve, CH-1290 Sauverny, Switzerland. P.S. I can be reached either at the address above or more quickly through BITNET as per address in all of the preamble above. I.E. PFENNIGER@CGEUGE51.BITNET 30-Apr-86 22:19:15-MDT,636;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 30 Apr 86 22:19:09-MDT Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005645; 30 Apr 86 23:45 EDT Date: Wed 30 Apr 86 23:22:19-EDT From: Mark Becker Subject: Speaking of DAK (1200 baud modem).. To: Info-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <12203102175.25.CENT.MBECK@OZ.AI.MIT.EDU> Hello NetLand - Received DAK's flyer in the mail the other day and saw their ad for the "walks like a duck..." 1200 baud modem. Has anyone purchased one of these things? How about a comment or two? ------- 15-Jun-83 20:25:21-MDT,586;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 15 Jun 83 20:25:12-MDT Received: from dockmaster.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011136; 2 Apr 86 20:42 EST Date: Wed, 2 Apr 86 15:19 EST From: "Paul E. Woodie" Subject: XMODEM Source To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <860402201919.632991@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the communications program 'xmodem' (or one of its derivatives) written in a high level language such as fortran, pascal, or pl1? 15-Jun-83 20:31:33-MDT,729;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 15 Jun 83 20:31:19-MDT Date: Thu, 3 Apr 86 15:05:15 EST From: Dave Towson (info-cpm-request) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: AMSAA network address has changed: Fellow CP/Mers - The network address for AMSAA.ARPA, the machine from which info-cpm is distributed, has been changed to 128.63.4.10. It may take a day or two for the Network Information Center to distribute an updated host table, so be prepared for possible info-cpm mail failure until the new information is propagated. Dave Towson info-cpm list maintainer 3-Aug-81 01:28:09-MDT,699;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Aug 81 01:28:01-MDT Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019240; 3 Apr 86 17:56 EST Date: Wed 15 Jun 83 21:42:45-MDT From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: XMODEM Source To: Woodie@DOCKMASTER.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: <860402201919.632991@DOCKMASTER.ARPA> Message-ID: <11927854693.15.RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA> A version of XMODEM for VAX/VMS written in FORTRAN-77 exists; it is in PD:. There is also UMODEM and UC, which are written in C, in the PD: archive (I don't remember which subdir). Rick ------- 3-Aug-81 04:03:45-MDT,918;000000000001 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA ([128.63.4.10].#Internet) by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 3 Aug 81 04:03:32-MDT Received: from ut-ngp.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019699; 3 Apr 86 20:41 EST Date: Thu, 3 Apr 86 19:17:58 cst From: mknox Posted-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 86 19:17:58 cst Message-Id: <8604040117.AA27149@ngp.UTEXAS.EDU> Received: by ngp.UTEXAS.EDU (4.22/4.22) id AA27149; Thu, 3 Apr 86 19:17:58 cst To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, tld%ssc-bee.uucp@BRL.ARPA Subject: Re: Viasyn PC Video Board with 68000 I don't know of a standard driver for this combination, but it should be a trivial hack to CP/M-68K. If you do not have the BIOS to change the console driver, it is still fairly trivial to put a RSX into the system which will intercept all the console (display) writes and send them to your video board. Drop me a line if I can help. mknox