1-Oct-87 23:04:28-MDT,12276;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 1-Oct-87 23:04:07 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1987 23:04 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: New files uploaded to SIMTEL20 during September The following is a complete list of CP/M-oriented files uploaded to SIMTEL20 during the month of September, 1987. The column labeled "T" (Type) is the file format. (7) means ASCII, (8) means binary. For a complete list of all CP/M files, see: PD:CPM.CRCLST - Complete list with CRC values PD:CPM.ARC - The above, ARChived (much smaller), binary(8). PD:FILES.DIR - Abbreviated list with only directory and file names PD:FILES.IDX - Similar to below, no descriptions, comma delimited There is currently no complete listing of all files, with descriptions. That is in the process of being created and will be announced when available. In the meantime, see PD:CPMOCT01.LST (ascii) or CPMOCT01.LZT (crunched) which is a complete listing of all CP/M files on GEnie, each with a one-line description. Since SIMTEL20 and GEnie have many of the same files, this will be a very useful listing. It is updated monthly. Note: to save space in the following listing, the device name PD: which normally appears ahead of the directory name has been omitted. CP/M September Report Directory Name Size T Description ================ ============ ====== = ================================= PCPI-WS4.AZM 768 8 Applicard/Wordstar 4.0 Patch PCPICLK3.LBR 18944 8 Full-Screen Clock for Applicard PCPIFST5.IZF 4480 8 Applicard speed-up info CHKIF.LBR 15872 8 Check for balanced conditionals SHOFNC10.LBR 21888 8 Trace BDOS calls in executed program Z80MR.UZD 1536 8 Corrections to Z80MR documentation ROULETTE.BZS 3456 8 Win with Roulette game in MBASIC SURVIVAL.BZS 9472 8 Survive in space with MBASIC game VADER.BZS 8704 8 Battle Darth Vader in MBASIC game WORLDBR.LBR 9856 8 Build Science Fiction solar systems PDFT1087.LZT 8320 8 Terse RCP/M phone number list RCPM1087.LBR 41856 8 Remote CP/M system phone list, Oct. SUPRBDOS.IZF 1536 8 SUPRBDOS install experiences/hints BG-REVU.TZT 14464 8 Review of BackGrounder II BGHIST04.LBR 6400 8 BGii History Shell w/ZEX fix BGSCREEN.DZC 7168 8 Info to BackGrounder screen drivers DEALERS.BZ2 512 8 BackGrounder dealer list C128CMPT.DZC 5888 8 Disk/Data transfer programs for C128 FORMAT81.LBR 8704 8 Format the 1581 on C128 under CP/M RDCBM21.LBR 18816 8 C-128 DOS to CP/M file copier VDO-C128.LBR 18816 8 VDO memory based editor for C-128 ANNUITY.ARK 11907 8 Calc. missing variable in annuities BIGCAL22.LBR 18560 8 Produce wall sized calendar RPNCALC.LBR 36224 8 RPN calculator - w/command stg. INSTALL.CZP 7424 8 Setting up a RCP/M under CP/M Plus MFORMAT.LBR 8448 8 Formats RAM disk on cold boot RSXMAP.LBR 12288 8 Display dynamic memory in CP/M Plus DBLIST11.LBR 48128 8 Produces cross reference for dBASE FILCRD46.LBR 131328 8 4-by-6 file card database PI-EVAL.LBR 6528 8 Translate injury into dollar value DDTZ26.LBR 76544 8 Z80 replacement for DDT debugger DIRDIRS2.LBR 7808 8 DIR command for CCP replacements RENAMZ11.LBR 19840 8 Z80 file renameing utility WREN-II.CDC 1766 7 How to get Control Data disk drives VEDIT.IZF 2304 8 VEDIT windowing demo screens VEDIT-WS.LBR 3072 8 WS like Key Layout for VEDIT GCSFX.LBR 4480 8 Epson FX-85 setup/print/typewriter HIGKFONT.LBR 10624 8 Greek character set for Epson Fx PX8INFO.LBR 20992 8 Technical info for PX-8 laptop PPIP17.LBR 67840 8 PIP replacement takes DU: form CPMOCT01.LST 139093 7 CP/M file list, sorted w/desc CPMOCT01.LZT 73728 8 CP/M file list, sorted w/desc UNLOAD22.LBR 6784 8 Convert a .COM file to a .HEX file AREA14.LBR 15232 8 Find location by areacode or city LUCKY13.LBR 28672 8 Lottery number generator/checker GENIE.IDX 4560 7 GEnie mnemonics & page nrs. index GENIECPM.AZG 105216 8 Listing of files in CP/M SL - August DIRF38HZ.LBR 17920 8 HZ19/89 DIR list with descriptions TURBOPAS.HZP 2560 8 Help file for Turbo Pascal OUTLINER.LBR 49792 8 Outline processor DECSET.LBR 10624 8 DEC LA-120 printer setup program FANFLD11.LBR 87936 8 Print on both sides of paper PRTCOL10.LBR 38656 8 Format text into two or more columns MXO-MO10.LBR 36352 8 MEX overlay - MicroMint SB180 MOSRT MXO-SN10.AZM 19712 8 MEX Overlay - Sanyo MBC-1200/1250 PCPMEX10.LBR 15616 8 MEX-Plus scripts for PC Pursuit M7AD-4.AZM 7296 8 MODM700 overlay for Adam Syndmodem BITWISE.MZD 1024 8 More "bit" stuff for Modula-2 AUG85.MZG 20224 8 The $R/O (ReadOnly) News Magazine FEB86.MZG 14976 8 The $R/O (ReadOnly) News Magazine JAN86.MZG 22144 8 The $R/O (ReadOnly) News Magazine OCT85.MZG 14592 8 The $R/O (ReadOnly) News Magazine SEP85.MZG 17280 8 The $R/O (ReadOnly) News Magazine PUSER17.LBR 52736 8 Utility to report on PBBS user file PUBPTZ10.LBR 37248 8 Plu*Perfect Public patch for ZRDOS BYTIME31.AZM 4480 8 Display user stats on RCP/M system GO104.LBR 12160 8 Move easily around drives/user areas XFRTOOL4.LBR 11648 8 Report on KMD or XMODEM logs CRUNCH24.LBR 30080 8 LZW data compression utilities QL16.LBR 29184 8 "Quick Look" typer SAFRAM5.LBR 19072 8 Creates a safe zone below the Bdos LONG-SUB.MZD 4992 8 Submit processing under ZCPR 3.3 M2BITS.LBR 4608 8 "Bit stuff" for Turbo Modula-2 M2BUGDEM.MZD 640 8 Demo of Modula2 bug M2FST.LBR 5120 8 demo stuff for Modula-2 MONITOR.TZ2 2688 8 Technical Note on Turbo Modula-2 TELE.LBR 6912 8 TM2 graphics functions for TeleVideo TM2RENAM.LBR 3456 8 Bug-fix for Turbo Modula-2 WNDODEMO.LBR 37120 8 Window's for Turbo Modula-2 ENVIRON.LBR 13184 8 Implement programming environment USQ141.LBR 21632 8 Turbo Pascal UnSQueezer BISHOW34.ARK 32901 8 Bidirectional ASCII file viewer LIT.LBR 1408 8 Convert test file to COM file NOTE2.LBR 10752 8 Put a note in a COM file SEARCH.LBR 15744 8 Search text files for a Keyword VDEPTCH3.ZZX 1280 8 VDE patch reverses down arrow/insert WS4BW2.FIX 1286 7 WS 4.0 fix for Bondwell 2 WS4MT.FIX 1021 7 WS 4.0 fix for Morrow MT60/MT70 WS4REVUE.TXT 2903 7 WordStar 4 - is it really improved? ARUNZ09F.LBR 17152 8 ZCPR33 extended command processor CD33.LBR 5888 8 ZCPR3 change directory command DOSVER02.LBR 1664 8 Displays ZRDOS version number DU313.LBR 55168 8 ZCPR3 disk maintenance utility DU313CW.LBR 69376 8 ZCPR3 disk maintenance utility EDITND.LBR 36480 8 Edit the system named directory ERRATA1.Z33 920 7 Assembling the Z33 FCP and RCP ERRORX11.LBR 1920 8 Cancels ZCPR33 error handling ERRSET13.LBR 4352 8 Displays/clears/sets error handler ERRUTILS.LBR 16768 8 Error handling routines for ZCPR33 GETVAR12.LBR 15744 8 Define and refer to shell variables HSH15.LBR 21760 8 ZCPR3 history processing shell LBREXT22.LBR 19712 8 Extracts/uncompresses from libraries LDSK20.LBR 8320 8 Logs in disk directories for ZCPR3 LLDR.LBR 12416 8 Read files from a library into LDR LX16.LBR 19072 8 ZCPR3 Library eXecute tool MU312.LBR 15360 8 ZCPR3 memory utility NHSH-Z33.LBR 14208 8 Save and re-issue commands in ZCPR NZEX-C.LBR 14720 8 New version of ZEX for ZCPR 3.3 PAUSE11.LBR 8320 8 Pause in ZCPR3 ZEX files PRICES14.RZS 8576 8 Z software price list from Echelon PUSH12.LBR 7296 8 Save current drive/user, registers RCPH-GKT.LZB 2304 8 Displays ZCPR resident command list RENAME32.LBR 15616 8 Rename files in the ZCPR environment SALIAS1G.LBR 52608 8 Screen oriented alias editor TCJ28.MZG 20352 8 Sage ZSIG Column, TCJ Issue #28 TYPE3HDR.BUG 1882 7 Fix for type3hdr on interrupt driven TYPE3HDR.ZZ0 896 8 Type-3 environment header code VERROR17.LBR 15872 8 ZCPR3 error handler VFILER43.FOR 601 7 Desctription of VFILER43.LBR VFILER43.LBR 101760 8 ZCPR3 file maintenance utility VMENU26.FOR 727 7 Description of VMENU26.LBR VMENU26.LBR 74880 8 ZCPR3 Menu command preprocessor Z33IF.MZG 1920 8 Explanation of "IF" mystery in ZNEWS Z33IF11.LBR 26752 8 Transient Z33 IF processor Z33LIB04.LBR 8448 8 LIB routines for ZCPR version 3.3 Z33VER09.LBR 26752 8 Error Handler for ZCPR3.3 Z33ZASM.LBR 7936 8 Assemble ZCPR33 with Cromemco ZASM Z3USER.LBR 26112 8 The user's perspective of ZCPR3 ZCPR33.FZR 17280 8 Descriptions of ZCPR 3.3 files ZF10H.LBR 60544 8 SWEEP-like utility for ZCPR ZFDOCS.LBR 16640 8 Documentation for ZFILER ZLUX25A.LBR 38784 8 RCP/M utility handles LBR and ARK's Z-NEWS.8Z2 10624 8 ZCPR3/SYSLIB/ZRDOS Newsletter #802 Z-NEWS.8Z3 10752 8 ZCPR3/SYSLIB/ZRDOS Newsletter #803 Z-NEWS.8Z4 6912 8 ZCPR3/SYSLIB/ZRDOS Newsletter #804 LEGAL-QANDA.TXT 13839 7 Telenet Q&A on FCC modem fees 313BBS10.LST 20050 7 313 area code BBS list 9600-87P.LST 23591 7 9600 bps BBS phone list ASTROBBS.LST 12281 7 Astronomy-related BBS list HAMBBS.LST 11654 7 Ham Radio-related BBS list MICROCOM.MDM 4552 7 Microcom modems BBS SysOp deal RVPRIMER.TXT 11308 7 RV modem commands for PC Pursuit ______________________________________ These files are available via standard anonymous FTP via the Arpanet/Milnet. They are also available on my RCP/M and on GEnie's CP/M RoundTable. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST) 2-Oct-87 06:09:48-MDT,2752;000000000000 Return-Path: <@WISCVM.WISC.EDU:UZ32112@BLIULG12.BITNET> Received: from WISCVM.WISC.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 2 Oct 87 06:09:29 MDT Received: from BLIULG12.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU ; Fri, 02 Oct 87 07:08:19 CDT Received: by BLIULG12 (Mailer X1.24) id 7535; Fri, 02 Oct 87 09:59:42 ULG Date: Fri, 02 Oct 87 09:56:48 ULG From: Subject: Intel hex format To: info CP/M , RALPH@UHHEPG I am not sure this made through to the list, so I repost. Here is an algorithm for Intel Hex files generation: \ COMHEX: produce .HEX file out of .COM file HEX 100 CONSTANT START \ input file starting address, 100 specific for CP/M & MSDOS 10 CONSTANT SLICE \ max number of bytes in one HEX line VARIABLE CHECKSUM \ output record checksum VARIABLE ADDRESS \ running address VARIABLE IFILE \ pointer to input file VARIABLE OFILE \ pointer to output file : ASK.FILENAME \ prompt-addr id-count pointer -- fname-addr fname-count fcba >R FCBSIZE RESERVE R@ ! \ get fcb storage, set pointer CR TYPE SPACE QUERY "TOKEN \ issue prompt, input filename R> @ ; \ return filename and fcb address : CLOSE.FILE \ pointer -- @ CLOSE CLOSED? FCBSIZE FREE ; : PUT.CHAR \ char -- \ write one character to output file OFILE @ PUT ; : PUT.BYTE \ byte -- \ write 2 hex digits, compute checksum DUP CHECKSUM -! 0 <# # # #> OFILE @ WRITE ; : PUT.WORD \ word -- \ write 4 hex digits, compute checksum DUP -8 SHIFT PUT.BYTE FF AND PUT.BYTE ; : COMHEX \ main word HEX \ all stuff done in hexadecimal " INPUT FILE?:" IFILE ASK.FILENAME OPENI OPEN? \ open input " OUTPUT FILE?:" OFILE ASK.FILENAME OPENO OPEN? \ and output CR START ADDRESS ! \ init address pointer BEGIN IFILE @ INDATA WHILE \ loop until at end-of-file ASCII : PUT.CHAR \ record mark CHECKSUM OFF \ new checksum for new record PAD SLICE IFILE @ READ \ read up to SLICE bytes DUP PUT.BYTE \ output byte count ADDRESS @ PUT.WORD \ output bytes address 0 PUT.BYTE \ plus one more byte DUP ADDRESS +! \ progress address PAD SWAP BOUNDS ?DO \ loop for each byte read I C@ PUT.BYTE LOOP \ and output it with checksum CHECKSUM @ PUT.BYTE \ output checksum OFILE @ PUTEOR \ put end-of-record mark REPEAT ASCII : PUT.CHAR 0 PUT.WORD \ add end-of-file record 0 PUT.WORD 0 PUT.BYTE OFILE @ PUTEOR OFILE @ PUTEOF \ put end-of-file mark OFILE CLOSE.FILE IFILE CLOSE.FILE ; DECIMAL 3-Oct-87 14:47:16-MDT,1449;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from A.ISI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 3 Oct 87 14:47:10 MDT Date: Sat 3 Oct 87 14:04:58-EDT From: Rex Buddenberg Subject: Worstar/4 printer help To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12339577737.19.BUDDENBERGRA@A.ISI.EDU> Got a problem with printer overlay and RAM. My copy of Wordstar CPM Version 4 arrived a couple days ago and I agree with the reviews seen here -- looks like a winner. A lot of the public domain auxiliary programs like indexing, table of contents, ascii'fying, etc got rolled up into the main program. Footnoting does seem to have been left out though. O well, this is a word processor, not yet a desktop publisher. Anyway, to my problem. Hardware: AMPRO Little Board running ZCPR3. Printer is a Daisywriter which is a clone of diablo/qume/NEC daisy wheels (can emulate any of them by DIP switches.) Specific problem. With the installed printer driver (any of the choices) I get a 'Can't use that printer. Incorrect name or not enough memory.' error. The optional printer drivers (e.g. DRAFT) work ok. It appears that I probably have a collision in RAM between some o the ZCPR stuff and the printer driver, but I'm not yet sure. Anyway, I tried the memory squeeze trick to no avail (in WSCHANGE). Anybody got ideas or cures? The book solution isn't much help.... Rex Buddenberg ------- 3-Oct-87 15:29:37-MDT,1175;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from A.ISI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 3 Oct 87 15:29:32 MDT Date: Sat 3 Oct 87 17:28:53-EDT From: Rex Buddenberg Subject: WordStar/4 printer fixed To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <12339614857.26.BUDDENBERGRA@A.ISI.EDU> Problem solved, sorry to have bothered you all. For thos who might encounter the same...WordStar Vers 4 comes with a whole pot full of printer drivers. The WINSTALL program rolls them all up on the menu and invites you to pick one -- seductively easy. But not complete! The Program distribution disc has a printer .OVL file with about 4 drivers on board. If the one you niavely install is in this .OVL file, fine and dandy -- but most of the drivers are in the BIG library (~150k) and on another disc. Consequently, the opaque error message that says that the driver you are calling up ain't there. Fix. In the installation fine print, page xxii of the manual. (Yeah, I know...). You rebuild the working .OVL to include the drivers you intend to use -- including the one you 'installed' in the WINSTALL. Rex Buddenberg ------- 4-Oct-87 21:35:58-MDT,2061;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 4 Oct 87 21:35:38 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA05334; Sun, 4 Oct 87 20:35:08 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 1 Oct 87 16:36:29 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!dcl-cs!nott-cs!settle@uunet.uu.net (Dave Settle SMB) Organization: Computer Science, Nottingham Univ., UK. Subject: Memory Partitions in CCPM Message-Id: <6601@robin.cs.nott.ac.uk> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I wonder if anyone can help me with a problem with memory partitions under Concurrent CPM. At the moment I have a Jarogate Sprite (a 286-based machine), running CCPM 4.1 with half a megabyte of memory. With a previous version of the OS (I think 3.??) I could run all my programs fine, but now I've got the upgrade, I keep getting "Insufficient Memory" when I try to load programs. I've tried to re-partition the memory into larger chunks, but this was spectacularly unsuccessful - it wouldn't even run "SDIR" then! The problem has also appeared on other machines which I am responsible for (also CCPM), so I would like to get some idea about what the problem is, and what I can do about it. The particular program which is causing the problem is "runcobol", which is a runtime for RM/COBOL programs (I don't program in COBOL myself, you understand, I just look after the machines!) - according to the (limited) info from RM, it requires a 64K data segment + text + stack. I'm definately NOT a cpm guru, so I'd appreciate any help you can give me. Please respond directly - I don't get the chance to read the news much, I'm too busy re-partitioning my machines ... Cheers, Dave Settle, UUCP: dave@smb.co.uk ...seismo!mcvax!ukc!nott-cs!smb!dave Dave Settle, SMB Business Software, Mansfield, Nottingham, UK. 5-Oct-87 05:35:39-MDT,2289;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 5 Oct 87 05:35:31 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA11742; Mon, 5 Oct 87 04:32:51 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 5 Oct 87 09:58:00 GMT From: nosc!humu!uhccux!julian@sdcsvax.ucsd.edu (Julian Cowley) Organization: U. of Hawaii, Manoa (Honolulu) Subject: Possible WS 4.0 bug Message-Id: <909@uhccux.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that I may have found a possible bug in WS 4.0. I have just finished installing the new WS for a multiuser system that we have here at our college. Because we have an oddball selection of terminals (some new and some old), I had to take the lowest common denominator for the monitor selection. The old terminals (Mime 2A's) have problems with line insert and delete control codes, and thus I had to install it without those codes. Seemed to work fine until I noticed that the screen didn't update correctly when I was in the middle of an already present paragraph and added some more text until the word wrapped. The word just typed appeared in the right place, along with the text that was trailing it, but the line that was below it stayed in the same place and did not move down like it should. Hope you can follow that (!). In any case, it seemed that nothing I could install for the terminal changed the situation. It would seem that in a case like this that it would be the WRAP toggle, in which the cursor does or does not move to the next line after a character is written in the 80th position. It was off like it should be (in my case). Also, it works fine when the line insert and delete codes are installed, but this only works on the other terminals, and not the Mimes. Anybody know what is going on, or did I overlook something? Thanks for your help! -- Julian Cowley, University of Hawaii at Manoa ...!{ihpn4,dcdwest,uhcbvax}!sdcsvax!nosc!uhccux!julian julian@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu because it's time: u929190@uhccmv 5-Oct-87 22:57:21-MDT,946;000000000000 Return-Path: <@RELAY.CS.NET:busu%cc.uofm.cdn@UBC.CSNET> Received: from RELAY.CS.NET by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 5 Oct 87 22:57:13 MDT Received: from relay2.cs.net by RELAY.CS.NET id aa20266; 6 Oct 87 0:49 EDT Received: from ubc by RELAY.CS.NET id aa05844; 6 Oct 87 0:48 EDT Received: by ubc.csnet id AA04337; Mon, 5 Oct 87 21:38:15 pdt Date: 6 Oct 87 4:39 +0600 From: Daniel Keizer To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-Id: <39*busu@cc.uofm.cdn> Subject: Olivetti M20 info Wanted: Any info regarding the Olivetti M20 PC as well as the alternate CPU available. Most of the programs for the MSDOS world do not run on this machine. I take it that it is highly un-compatible with the IBM series, and needs most of its own software. Does anyone use this beast? have any library of PD programs avail for it?? etc. etc. etc. Thanks. Dan Keizer BUSU@CC.UOFM.CDN BUSU@UOFMCC.BITNET 6-Oct-87 00:23:07-MDT,743;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from oberon.USC.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 6 Oct 87 00:22:57 MDT Received: by oberon.USC.EDU (5.51/5.5) id AA05756; Mon, 5 Oct 87 23:11:12 PDT Received: by hamal.usc.edu (3.2/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA06069; Mon, 5 Oct 87 23:11:05 PDT Date: Mon 5 Oct 87 23:11:02-PDT From: Dick Subject: PLease remove me from list To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Cc: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa Message-Id: Desires: "gag me with a Valley girl" (ohmigod!) I no longer need direct mailing, so remove me. Dick was or , etc.. ------- 6-Oct-87 20:43:27-MDT,1233;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 6 Oct 87 20:43:18 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA23762; Tue, 6 Oct 87 18:29:28 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 4 Oct 87 18:05:21 GMT From: mcvax!enea!sems!olof@uunet.uu.net (Olof Backing) Organization: SEMS AB, Stockholm, Sweden Subject: Software for Ampro Litle Board w. Z80 (CP/M) Message-Id: <162@sems.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I'm looking for software that will turn the Ampro into a little bit nore sofisticated mashine. Such as any of the ZCPR's or something equal. Since I'm living i Sweden, I would appreciate an e-mail containing an address to someone i the US. I think mailing a disc is a little bit *CHEAPER* than downloading it with a modem. thanks, Olof -- ADDRESS: Havrevagen 14, S-175 43 Jarfalla, Sweden PHONE : (46) 758 33941, 35516 home UUCP : ...{uunet,mcvax,ukc,unido}!enea!sems!olof 6-Oct-87 21:20:04-MDT,1843;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Xerox.COM by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 6 Oct 87 21:19:53 MDT Received: from Burger.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 06 OCT 87 19:22:12 PDT Sender: "Cheryl_L._Chapman.ESM8"@Xerox.COM Date: 6 Oct 87 17:41:26 PDT (Tuesday) Subject: Lap Top Computer Info needed From: Chapman.ESM8@Xerox.COM To: INFO-IBMPC@USC-ISIB.EDU, IBMPC.AllAreas@Xerox.COM, Info-cpm@SIMTEL20.Arpa, WORKS-request@RUTGERS.EDU cc: Chapman.ESM8@Xerox.COM Reply-to: Chapman.ESM8@Xerox.COM Message-ID: <871006-192212-3341@Xerox> I am doing a survey of current lap top computers. If you have any information, or can give me pointers to review articles, or can comment on specific products, I would appreciate your help. I am not on the dls, so reply to me directly. I will summarize back to the dls if there is enough interest expressed. Please forward to any other dls which might be able to help. Points to comment on: 1. Physical parameters: size, weight, display type, built-in mass storage, built-in modem, built-in printer, battery internal or external, period of operation on battery, A/C power converter availability, etc. 2. Software/CPU parameters: CPU, bytes of RAM, operating system and compatibility, operating speed, software included (i.e. Wordprocessing, spread sheets, modem programs, etc.). 3. Manufacturers/Distributors, including phone # and/or address, if possible (so I can go straight to the horse's a** (oops) mouth if I want to). 4. Price or price range. 5. Can the system function as a fax, either through software or hardware? 6. Options: external monitor, external printer, external keyboard, external mass storage, more memory, etc. 6. Anything else I haven't covered that you think is significant. Thanks in advance, Cheryl 7-Oct-87 11:06:40-MDT,3164;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from LL.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 7 Oct 87 11:04:27 MDT Date: Wed 07 Oct 1987 13:04:47 EDT From: Subject: Manual vs Autoinstall ZCPR3 To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Message-ID: I received the following question from Ken Wallewein. Since the answer may be of general interest, I am posting it to the entire list. :: I was wondering about ZCOM. I've read that it's the low-class way to :: go, that it uses up a lot of TPA, and that real hackers will do a :: proper implementation. What's the scoop? It there really a penalty for :: using ZCOM? I wonder where you read that ZCOM is a low-class way to go. It's true that it does not give a programmer a chance to display his skills at modifying his BIOS and reconfiguring the operating system. It is also true that ZCOM offered less flexibility in the definition of the system (it had RCP, FCP, NDR, and IOP buffers of a size determined by Joe Wright). And finally, ZCOM does cost an extra 0.5K of TPA compared to the same system installed manually (assuming the manual system has cleverly written BIOS modifications). However, we have a new version of ZCOM in the works, called NZCOM, that, in my opinion, will make manually installed systems undesirable and obsolete. Right now, for example, I am having trouble getting WordStar 4 to run on my system (manual installation) because there is not enough TPA. If I had ZCOM, I could just drop out of ZCOM and run WS4 under CP/M. Under the new NZCOM, one will be able to create complete Z-System configurations dynamically, on-the-fly! When you want to run WS4, an alias script justs commands the system to drop any RCP and IOP and to go to a small FCP while WS4 is running. This might give you back up to 4K of TPA. When WS4 is finished, the alias could automatically restore the original, more complete Z-System. When you want to make use of an IOP, like NuKey, for example, you invoke a NuKey loading alias. It checks to see if the current system supports an IOP of the necessary size. If not, it commands the system to allocate space for and initialize an IOP. It then loads NuKey, and away you go! When you're done, you can tell the system to drop the IOP if you want to recover the 1.5K of TPA. This kind of freedom will cost only 0.25K of TPA in any given system compared to an equivalent manually installed system. That is a VERY small penalty to pay for the freedom gained. It is even possible that because one does not need any ZCPR3 code in the BIOS coldboot routine, the BIOS might become shorter, and the net penalty might even be zero. In summary then, the autoinstall approach is not at all a low-class way to get a Z-System, and with NZCOM it will become the smartest way to do it, because it will give by far the most powerful implementation. No more will you face the dilemma of whether the features of ZCPR3 are worth the cost of the TPA lost. You will be able to trade off features and TPA on a command- by-command or task-by-task basis. -- Jay Sage 7-Oct-87 11:26:19-MDT,3164;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from LL.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 7 Oct 87 11:25:47 MDT Date: Wed 07 Oct 1987 13:04:47 EDT From: Subject: Manual vs Autoinstall ZCPR3 To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Message-ID: I received the following question from Ken Wallewein. Since the answer may be of general interest, I am posting it to the entire list. :: I was wondering about ZCOM. I've read that it's the low-class way to :: go, that it uses up a lot of TPA, and that real hackers will do a :: proper implementation. What's the scoop? It there really a penalty for :: using ZCOM? I wonder where you read that ZCOM is a low-class way to go. It's true that it does not give a programmer a chance to display his skills at modifying his BIOS and reconfiguring the operating system. It is also true that ZCOM offered less flexibility in the definition of the system (it had RCP, FCP, NDR, and IOP buffers of a size determined by Joe Wright). And finally, ZCOM does cost an extra 0.5K of TPA compared to the same system installed manually (assuming the manual system has cleverly written BIOS modifications). However, we have a new version of ZCOM in the works, called NZCOM, that, in my opinion, will make manually installed systems undesirable and obsolete. Right now, for example, I am having trouble getting WordStar 4 to run on my system (manual installation) because there is not enough TPA. If I had ZCOM, I could just drop out of ZCOM and run WS4 under CP/M. Under the new NZCOM, one will be able to create complete Z-System configurations dynamically, on-the-fly! When you want to run WS4, an alias script justs commands the system to drop any RCP and IOP and to go to a small FCP while WS4 is running. This might give you back up to 4K of TPA. When WS4 is finished, the alias could automatically restore the original, more complete Z-System. When you want to make use of an IOP, like NuKey, for example, you invoke a NuKey loading alias. It checks to see if the current system supports an IOP of the necessary size. If not, it commands the system to allocate space for and initialize an IOP. It then loads NuKey, and away you go! When you're done, you can tell the system to drop the IOP if you want to recover the 1.5K of TPA. This kind of freedom will cost only 0.25K of TPA in any given system compared to an equivalent manually installed system. That is a VERY small penalty to pay for the freedom gained. It is even possible that because one does not need any ZCPR3 code in the BIOS coldboot routine, the BIOS might become shorter, and the net penalty might even be zero. In summary then, the autoinstall approach is not at all a low-class way to get a Z-System, and with NZCOM it will become the smartest way to do it, because it will give by far the most powerful implementation. No more will you face the dilemma of whether the features of ZCPR3 are worth the cost of the TPA lost. You will be able to trade off features and TPA on a command- by-command or task-by-task basis. -- Jay Sage 8-Oct-87 09:12:55-MDT,1118;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 8 Oct 87 09:09:39 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA03689; Thu, 8 Oct 87 07:39:57 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 6 Oct 87 14:06:03 GMT From: ihnp4!homxb!mtuxo!mtune!codas!killer!ozdaltx!bill@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Tic-Toc's battery is run down) Organization: OZ BBS - Dallas, TX Subject: 8 bit S-100 update to 16 or 32 bit Message-Id: <4347@ozdaltx.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I am looking for information and suggestions for upgrading my IMS 8000 system to either 16 or 32 bit operation. Cost being the main factor. This is an older, non DMA machine with 3 full size Qume DT-8 drives and an 8" 40 meg hard disk. I know that I would probably have to dump all of these, and start fresh with all new boards. Any Suggestions? BTW, this is a IEE-696 system. 9-Oct-87 03:26:20-MDT,3560;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 9 Oct 87 03:26:02 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA27055; Fri, 9 Oct 87 02:13:44 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 9 Oct 87 06:40:11 GMT From: eris!mwm@jade.Berkeley.EDU (Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer) Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica Subject: Re: 8 bit S-100 update to 16 or 32 bit Message-Id: <5374@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> References: <4347@ozdaltx.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <4347@ozdaltx.UUCP> bill@ozdaltx.UUCP (Tic-Toc's battery is run down) writes: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Hams@SIMTEL20.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: MINIPROP 2.0 H.F. propagation prediction program available Now available via standard anonymous FTP from SIMTEL20... Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: MNPROP2.LBR BINARY 113280 864CH MNPROP2 is version 2.0 of the popular H.F. radio propagation prediction program MINIPROP for CP/M computers by Sheldon Shallon, W6EL. This program allows entry of the latitude and longitude of two locations between which the minimum usable frequency for ionospheric (skywave) propagation on frequencies between 3 and 30 MHz will be calculated. This is really an oversimplified description of the program as it provides much more detailed information than just the MUF. An atlas is available as well as the ability to generate compass point MUF. Printer support is included. No source code is provided but comprehensive documentation and an executable .COM file are included in the LBR. This file is also available on my RCP/M and on GEnie's CP/M RoundTable. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST) 10-Oct-87 10:22:57-MDT,1499;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1987 09:19 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Hams@SIMTEL20.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: MINIPROP 2.0 H.F. propagation prediction program available Now available via standard anonymous FTP from SIMTEL20... Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD: MNPROP2.LBR BINARY 113280 864CH MNPROP2 is version 2.0 of the popular H.F. radio propagation prediction program MINIPROP for CP/M computers by Sheldon Shallon, W6EL. This program allows entry of the latitude and longitude of two locations between which the minimum usable frequency for ionospheric (skywave) propagation on frequencies between 3 and 30 MHz will be calculated. This is really an oversimplified description of the program as it provides much more detailed information than just the MUF. An atlas is available as well as the ability to generate compass point MUF. Printer support is included. No source code is provided but comprehensive documentation and an executable .COM file are included in the LBR. This file is also available on my RCP/M and on GEnie's CP/M RoundTable. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST) 10-Oct-87 21:11:39-MDT,1569;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 10 Oct 87 21:11:31 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA28819; Sat, 10 Oct 87 19:18:23 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 11 Oct 87 01:45:28 GMT From: aramis.rutgers.edu!knutsen@rutgers.edu (Mark Knutsen) Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Subject: Wordstar 4 minimum memory usage. Message-Id: <1833@aramis.rutgers.edu> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I got the MicroPro offer for WordStar 4.0 in the mail the other day; and I must say, for $89 I will seriously consider. My CP/M machine is an ATR-8000 (anyone ever hear of THAT?), which normally functions as a smart drive/modem/printer interface for my Atari 800XL. It has 64K, so I'm wondering if WordStar will fit. I've got CP/M ver. 2.2 (same as CP/M 80? I dunno). Can anyone answer the size question based on this admittedly limited system info? --Mark K. -- _________________________________ Jersey ||| _____________________________ ARPA: knutsen@rutgers.edu | Atari / | \ | GEnie GE Mail: M.KNUTSEN UUCP: {...}!rutgers.edu!knutsen | ||| Computer | The JACG BBS: (201)298-0161 --------------------------------- / | \ Group ----------------------------- "Yow! I'm the ONLY Atari 8-bit user at Rutgers University!" 11-Oct-87 20:38:16-MDT,862;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from E.ISI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 11 Oct 87 20:38:12 MDT Date: 11 Oct 1987 08:15-CDT Sender: SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU Subject: CP/M upgrades From: John A. Wright To: Info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <[E.ISI.EDU]11-Oct-87 08:15:29.SAC.HQSAC-DOCT> Is anyone familiar with the Commodore CBM-700 (B-128/246) that was marketed in Europe a few years ago. I have purchased one of these systems and really like it. The manuals specifify that a 8088 coprocessor can be installed to run CP/M-86 and MS-DOS software (I think the term is concurrent co-processor). Does anyone know how this would be done? The books lead me to believe that is is a fairly simple procedure. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance John, 11-Oct-87 22:32:31-MDT,578;000000000000 Return-Path: <@WISCVM.WISC.EDU:11TSTARK@GALLUA.BITNET> Received: from WISCVM.WISC.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 11 Oct 87 22:32:22 MDT Received: from GALLUA.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU ; Sun, 11 Oct 87 23:31:35 CDT Date: Mon, 12 Oct 87 00:28 EST From: <11TSTARK%GALLUA.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU> Subject: Where is ADL? To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa X-Original-To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa, 11TSTARK Hello, I am waiting CP/M version of ADL for over a month! Where is CP/M ADL binaries???? This perhaps Tim Brengle to remind. Thanks! -- Tim Stark 12-Oct-87 00:49:49-MDT,2139;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 12 Oct 87 00:49:39 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA17170; Sun, 11 Oct 87 22:37:03 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 11 Oct 87 17:17:09 GMT From: ihnp4!homxb!mtuxo!mtune!codas!killer!bobc@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Calbridge) Organization: The Unix(R) Connection, Dallas, Texas Subject: Re: Wordstar 4 minimum memory usage. Message-Id: <1787@killer.UUCP> References: <1833@aramis.rutgers.edu> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <1833@aramis.rutgers.edu>, knutsen@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark Knutsen) writes: > > I got the MicroPro offer for WordStar 4.0 in the mail the > other day; and I must say, for $89 I will seriously consider. My CP/M > machine is an ATR-8000 (anyone ever hear of THAT?), which normally > functions as a smart drive/modem/printer interface for my Atari 800XL. > It has 64K, so I'm wondering if WordStar will fit. I've got CP/M ver. > 2.2 (same as CP/M 80? I dunno). Can anyone answer the size question > based on this admittedly limited system info? > First of all, unless a version of CP/M for the 64180 is the only one that the Wordstar 4.0 will run on, you shouldn't have any problem and even then it would still be working as a banked system. In gerneral, all versions of CP/M through 3.0 (CPM/80 or CPM Plus) are limited to 64K. Unless Wordstar is itself close to 64K in size there should be ample TPA to hold the Wordstar program and a significant amount of text. Wordstar will shuffle text between disk and memory as necessary to be able to handle whatever size file your disk can handle. And your ver. 2.2 is not CP/M 80. CP/M 80 is version 3.0 or CP/M Plus which is designed to run on a Z-80 machine. This is not to say that you can't run CP/M 80 on your ATR-8000 but it would have to have a Z-80 processor running it. Best, Bob 12-Oct-87 05:43:08-MDT,4479;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 12 Oct 87 05:42:55 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA22938; Mon, 12 Oct 87 04:35:49 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Oct 87 03:56:50 GMT From: xbq%psuvm.bitnet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Winograd) Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center Subject: Re: Wordstar 4 minimum memory usage. Message-Id: <22115XBQ@PSUVM> References: 1833@aramis.rutgers.edu Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa WS 4.0 may or may not work. The important figure isn't how much memory your computer has -- almost all CP/M computers have 64K total memory. What's important is the size of the Transient Program Area (TPA), which is the amount of memory available to application programs after the amount taken up by the operating system (yes, CP/M 2.2 is the same as CP/M-80 -- the newer version, CP/M 3.0, is usually called CP/M Plus). Here's what the READ.ME file on Disk 4 of my CP/M WS 4.0 disks says: "WordStar requires a minimum TPA size of 50 kbytes to run using the factory defaults. The TPA is the amount of memory available in your computer for use by programs that have a file type of COM. To see how big the TPA is in your computer, press the question mark key (?) at the Opening Menu. The amount of memory required by WordStar can be reduced by approximately 3 kbytes if necessary. Use the WSCHANGE program to select the minimum memory configuration option. The menu will show you what capabilities are being reduced. WordStar uses a general-purpose buffer for a variety of tasks. WordStar allocates memory to this buffer for editing, for merge printing, and at the Opening Menu (see BFSIZE in PATCH.LST). The buffer used for editing is usually the most sensitive to a reduced TPA size. (You may be able to use the Opening Menu and print, but there may be insufficient memory for editing.) The merge print buffer is used only to hold merge print variable names and data. Increase it if you run out of memory while merge printing." The file goes on to say that you can save 2.5K by not using merge- print. You can also patch WS to use less memory for the buffer mentioned above, using the information in the file PATCH.LST. I don't know whether your very unusual hardware configuration will influence the size of your TPA or how CP/M works in any quirky way. Either of those could keep WS from running properly. Another problem could arise if WS doesn't directly support either the terminal screen codes or printer interface/protocol setup that your system has. If your system emulates one of the common terminals, such as the ADM-3A, Hazeltine 1500, Televideo 950, Osborne 1, Soroc IQ 120, etc., you could just install WS for that terminal. Otherwise, you'll have to enter the cursor positioning codes, codes for inserting/deleting a line, etc., one by one when you run the install program. The other possibility is that you may have a hard time getting your printer to work properly, especially if it is a serial, rather than parallel, printer. One other consideration is that Micropro may or may not be able to send you WS on a disk that your computer can read. If I were you, I'd find out (if you don't know already) what disk format your machine uses. If it's something common, like Kaypro 2, Kaypro 10, Xerox 120, or Osborne, you're O.K. Otherwise, you'll have to have the program sent in a "foreign" disk format and then get it translated to a format that your machine can read. If you have any problems, I'd be glad to transfer it for you if you send the disks to me. So, if necessary, send me a note telling me what format your machine uses. If they send WS to you in Kaypro 2 or Kaypro 10 format, I can probably transfer it to the format that you need. Please don't take the above to mean that I don't think WS will work for you. I just mean to say that you may have some technical issues to resolve. If any of the above is too technical, or if I've written it murkily, please send me a note and I'll try to elaborate further. Good luck. 12-Oct-87 07:30:24-MDT,1193;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from dmc-crc.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 12 Oct 87 07:30:17 MDT Received: by dmc-crc.arpa; (4.12/4.7) id AA12482; Mon, 12 Oct 87 09:30:07 edt Date: Mon, 12 Oct 87 09:30:07 edt From: marwood@dmc-crc.arpa (G. J. Marwood) Message-Id: <8710121330.AA12482@dmc-crc.arpa> To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: Z80MR query I have come across something which puzzles me concerning Z80MR. Source code for ASM.COM as follows works OK:- IF NOT MEXPLUS . . ENDIF For a Z80MR source file I would have expected the following to be equivalent: IF .NOT.MEXPLUS . . ENDIF This does not seem to perform the .NOT. operation on MEXPLUS. However, the following does work for Z80MR. IF TRUE.AND.(.NOT.MEXPLUS) etc As this performaed the .NOT. operation properly I woondered whether IF (.NOT.MEXPLUS) etc would work. However, it does not. Does anyone have an explanation. The .DOC file for Z80MR is not very informative on this subject. Gordon Marwood 12-Oct-87 08:12:11-MDT,1118;000000000000 Return-Path: <@WISCVM.WISC.EDU:SEWARDB@UNCG.BITNET> Received: from WISCVM.WISC.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 12 Oct 87 08:11:46 MDT Received: from UNCG.BITNET by WISCVM.WISC.EDU ; Mon, 12 Oct 87 09:11:03 CDT Date: Mon, 12 Oct 87 10:11 EDT From: Bill Seward Subject: .ARC (or .ARK) files To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA X-VMS-To: IN%"info-cpm@simtel20.arpa" Does anyone know if there is a CP/M version of ARC or PKARC? I keep seeing .ARC and .ARK files on various BBSs, but I can not find the animal that creates them. I've checked these out, and they are not MS-DOS .ARCs. These are CP/M programs that have been put into a .ARC format. I have a program (UNARC.COM) that will "unarc" them (it also works on MS-DOS .ARCs) but it does not create them. I have seen mentions of a program called NOAH that is supposed to create these files, but it doesn't appear on any of the BBSs that I frequent. Any information (especially about where I can get a copy of this program) would be appreciated. Thanks. Bill Seward (SEWARDB@UNCG.BITNET) 12-Oct-87 22:50:29-MDT,1049;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 12 Oct 87 22:50:18 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA11030; Mon, 12 Oct 87 21:04:13 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 12 Oct 87 17:50:10 GMT From: amdahl!drivax!braun@ames.arpa (Kral) Organization: Digital Research, Inc. Subject: 9 track tape backup under turbodos Message-Id: <2529@drivax.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I am looking for a reliable, flexible, 9 track tape backup program which will run under turbodos. Thanx for any leads. -- kral [THERE ARE NO ORDINARY MOMENTS] 408/647-6112 ...{ism780|amdahl}!drivax!braun "Dream lightyears... Challenge miles... Walk in steps" DISCLAIMER: If DRI knew I was saying this stuff, they would shut me d~-~oxx 13-Oct-87 07:44:37-MDT,1302;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 13 Oct 87 07:44:26 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA18651; Tue, 13 Oct 87 06:36:55 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Oct 87 05:59:54 GMT From: xbq%psuvm.bitnet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Ed Winograd) Organization: The Pennsylvania State University - Computation Center Subject: Re: .ARC (or .ARK) files Message-Id: <22238XBQ@PSUVM> References: 8710121415.AA24529@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa There are several library utilities for CP/M. Some of the best known are LU.COM, NULU.COM, and (I believe) LAR.COM (though I could be wrong about the last one). As far as I know, however, they create files with .LBR as the extension, not .ARC. I'm sure that you can get these from any Kaypro User Group, and probably from the C Users' Group in Kansas, as well as on a number of RCPM's and BBS's. When I have time (it's 2 a.m., and I'm at home right now), I'll check in my office and see if I have any further info. Good luck. 13-Oct-87 10:50:34-MDT,837;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from mitre.arpa by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 13 Oct 87 10:50:20 MDT Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 11:55:07 EDT From: elsaesser%mwcamis@mitre.arpa Message-Id: <8710131555.AA22105@mitre.arpa> Organization: The MITRE Corp., Washington, D.C. To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Subject: Osborne Exec for sale -------- I have decided to part with my Osborne Executive (the grey box with the 9 inch screen). Anybody wanna buy it? It has the usual software, CP/M 3.0, WordStar, SuperCalc, Personal peral, p-system. Also, Kermit, MyChess. I'd like $390 (my son & daughter need xmas presents, sob, sob). I live in the Washington, DC area. Shipping elseware is at your risk. Interested? E-mail: elsaesser%mwcamis@mitre.arpa phone: (703) 883-6563 TTFN 14-Oct-87 03:36:26-MDT,702;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:ISCSEAHK@NUSVM.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 14 Oct 87 03:35:56 MDT Received: from NUSVM.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Wed, 14 Oct 87 04:35:06 CDT Received: by NUSVM (Mailer X1.25) id 1349; Wed, 14 Oct 87 17:36:38 SST Date: Wed, 14 Oct 87 17:35:44 SST From: Kenneth Seah Subject: Re: Communication programs To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message of 13 October 1987, 12:16:26 ECT from I would suggest that you try MEX. It should be available from most of the archives. Regards - Kenneth Seah (Nat'l Univ of Singapore) 14-Oct-87 06:52:27-MDT,1841;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 14 Oct 87 06:52:14 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA12277; Wed, 14 Oct 87 05:54:29 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Oct 87 01:23:30 GMT From: pyramid!csg@lll-lcc.arpa (Carl S. Gutekunst) Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp., Mountain View, CA Subject: Re: 8 bit S-100 update to 16 or 32 bit Message-Id: <8278@pyramid.pyramid.com> References: <4347@ozdaltx.UUCP>, <5374@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <5374@jade.BERKELEY.EDU> mwm@eris.BERKELEY.EDU (Mike (My watch has windows) Meyer) writes: >I'd try Viasyn, as they appear to be the best company still in the S-100 >business (or in business the last time I looked). The other die-hard S-100 company is Cromemco (now a wholy owned subsidary of Dynatech). Biggest problem is their boards wander on some of the details of IEEE-696 compliance; once in a rare while you may have some incompatability problems. But their S-100 boards tend to be much more *useful* that Viasyn boards, which often combine oddball features that are difficult to use. If you run Cromix, you can even add drivers for your peripherals with relatively little pain, although you'll need some kind of supported disk drive to boot the thing first. Cromemco does have an S-100 68020 card; it runs the memory over a private bus and uses the S-100 just for I/O. Of course, you have to buy Cromemco's memory cards for it, too. [Disclaimer: I obviously don't work for Cromemco, nor do I have any interest in the company.] 14-Oct-87 08:55:13-MDT,2156;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 14 Oct 87 08:54:57 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA14414; Wed, 14 Oct 87 07:35:05 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Oct 87 12:06:05 GMT From: cbmvax!fred@rutgers.edu (Fred Bowen) Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA Subject: Re: CP/M upgrades Message-Id: <2477@cbmvax.UUCP> References: <[E.ISI.EDU]11-Oct-87.08:15:29.SAC.HQSAC-DOCT> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <[E.ISI.EDU]11-Oct-87.08:15:29.SAC.HQSAC-DOCT>, SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU (John A. Wright) writes: > Is anyone familiar with the Commodore CBM-700 (B-128/246) that > was marketed in Europe a few years ago. I have purchased one of > these systems and really like it. The manuals specifify that a > 8088 coprocessor can be installed to run CP/M-86 and MS-DOS > software (I think the term is concurrent co-processor). Does > anyone know how this would be done? The books lead me to believe > that is is a fairly simple procedure. > John The B-series computers have an internal co-processor port as well as an expansion port. An 8088 board could be installed internally, rather simply as you suggest. You should peek inside- some B256-80 machines came with the co-processor board standard. The hard part is finding one of these boards and/or the software. The is a very persevering user group, CBUG, which is into the B-series computers in a big way. They have even interfaced them to the 1571 disk drives which provide them with easy access to CP/M software. I highly recommend them. For information, write: CBUG (Chicago B128 User's Group) 4102 N. Odell Norridge, IL 60634 -- -- Fred Bowen uucp: {ihnp4|rutgers|caip}!cbmvax!fred arpa: beats me tele: 215 431-9100 Commodore Electronics, Ltd., 1200 Wilson Drive, West Chester, PA, 19380 14-Oct-87 10:35:49-MDT,1551;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 14 Oct 87 10:35:16 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA15934; Wed, 14 Oct 87 08:59:28 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Oct 87 22:21:05 GMT From: aramis.rutgers.edu!knutsen@rutgers.edu (Mark Knutsen) Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Subject: Re: Wordstar 4 minimum memory usage. Message-Id: <1869@aramis.rutgers.edu> References: <1833@aramis.rutgers.edu>, <1787@killer.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <1787@killer.UUCP> bobc@killer.UUCP (Bob Calbridge) writes: > And your ver. 2.2 is not CP/M 80. CP/M 80 is version 3.0 or CP/M Plus > which is designed to run on a Z-80 machine. This is not to say that you > can't run CP/M 80 on your ATR-8000 but it would have to have a Z-80 processor > running it. Gee, I _think_ the ATR has a Z80 in it. What are the other possibilities? -- _________________________________ Jersey ||| _____________________________ ARPA: knutsen@rutgers.edu | Atari / | \ | GEnie GE Mail: M.KNUTSEN UUCP: {...}!rutgers.edu!knutsen | ||| Computer | The JACG BBS: (201)298-0161 --------------------------------- / | \ Group ----------------------------- "Yow! I'm the ONLY Atari 8-bit user at Rutgers University!" 14-Oct-87 11:44:03-MDT,2405;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 14 Oct 87 11:43:33 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA16234; Wed, 14 Oct 87 09:12:57 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 13 Oct 87 22:29:10 GMT From: aramis.rutgers.edu!knutsen@rutgers.edu (Mark Knutsen) Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Subject: Re: Wordstar 4 minimum memory usage. Message-Id: <1870@aramis.rutgers.edu> References: 1833@aramis.rutgers.edu, <22115XBQ@PSUVM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <22115XBQ@PSUVM> XBQ@PSUVM.BITNET (Ed Winograd) writes: > WS 4.0 may or may not work. The important figure isn't how much memory > your computer has -- almost all CP/M computers have 64K total memory. > What's important is the size of the Transient Program Area (TPA), which > is the amount of memory available to application programs after the > amount taken up by the operating system (yes, CP/M 2.2 is the same as > CP/M-80 -- the newer version, CP/M 3.0, is usually called CP/M Plus). A big "thank you" to you and the others who replied to my query. The ATR is not such a non-standard machine, so I assume WordStar will fit. Also, it can read many popular disk formats, incl. Kaypro and Osborne, so no problem there, either. I have two more questions: a) Is WordStar's screen-updating tolerable when used with an ADM-3A terminal (which is what the Atari emulates when talking to the ATR)? b) What is the reasoning behind the two-drive requirement? Why can't you get along with only one drive? This question asked for the benefit of a friend with a Commodore 128, and only one 1571 drive. Actually, any comments from C128 users running WordStar 4.0 would be appreciated. Thanks, --Mark Knutsen -- _________________________________ Jersey ||| _____________________________ ARPA: knutsen@rutgers.edu | Atari / | \ | GEnie GE Mail: M.KNUTSEN UUCP: {...}!rutgers.edu!knutsen | ||| Computer | The JACG BBS: (201)298-0161 --------------------------------- / | \ Group ----------------------------- "Yow! I'm the ONLY Atari 8-bit user at Rutgers University!" 15-Oct-87 05:57:54-MDT,1212;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 15 Oct 87 05:57:47 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA08438; Thu, 15 Oct 87 04:48:36 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Oct 87 19:53:21 GMT From: pyrdc!gmu90x!dolqci!decuac!felix!zemon@uunet.uu.net (Art Zemon) Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA Subject: Re: Wordstar 4 minimum memory usage. Message-Id: <9473@felix.UUCP> References: <1833@aramis.rutgers.edu> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <1833@aramis.rutgers.edu> knutsen@aramis.rutgers.edu (Mark Knutsen) writes: > >It has 64K, so I'm wondering if WordStar will fit. I've got CP/M ver. >2.2 (same as CP/M 80? I dunno). WordStar v4 will fit just fine within 64K. Especially since this is the maximum amount of memory that CP/M 2.2 will support. -- -- Art Zemon By Computer: ...!hplabs!felix!zemon By Air: Archer N33565 By Golly: moderator of comp.unix.ultrix 17-Oct-87 03:55:25-MDT,1984;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 17 Oct 87 03:55:13 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA01930; Sat, 17 Oct 87 02:29:58 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Oct 87 00:14:23 GMT From: hpda!hpcupt1!hpirs!kerschen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Karen Kerschen) Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino Subject: Wish, wish *** CP/M KERMIT *** Message-Id: <4260002@hpirs.HP.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I've got an ageing s100 bus computer with two 8" disk drives and a terribly buggie CPM operating system. The darned thing's pretty fussy, but I bought it eternities ago (used, my first computer), and I'm kinda fond of it -- especially since I used it to write the guts of a book. Now, I find myself with a wondrously more reliable, nicer-to-use HP series 150 type II, with two 3 1/2" micro-floppy disk drives, and MS-DOS operating system to use at home. You guessed it: I'd like to transfer all the material stored on my 8" diskettes onto my new system. So far, with the help of techie friends, I've succeeded in reading the 8" diskettes onto my HP screen, but not capturing the data onto the 3 1/2" media. I'm having my RS-232 cable and port checked to verify that the protocols are compatible. But once that's done, I'll need a CPM version of **** KERMIT ***** to send the data files over the line from CPMland to MS-DOSdom. Is there any kind soul out there (froggie or prince(ss)) who might have a CPM version of kermit? (I'd prefer 8" diskette version, but could have any CPM version read onto 8" diskette, if need be.) Thanks a 'pond-ful' for your help!! ribbit ... ribbit.... Karen Kerschen HP-UX OS lab 408/447-0649 hpda!karen 17-Oct-87 10:43:23-MDT,1264;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 17-Oct-87 10:43:13 Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1987 10:43 MDT Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: hpda!hpcupt1!hpirs!kerschen@UCBVAX.BERKELEY.EDU (Karen Kerschen) Cc: Info-Cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Wish, wish *** CP/M KERMIT *** In-reply-to: Msg of 16 Oct 1987 18:14-MDT from hpda!hpcupt1!hpirs!kerschen at ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Karen Kerschen) Karen, if you have a modem program like CROSSTALK, QMODEM, PROCOMM, MEX-PC, GT, ZCOMM, etc. (anything that will do the "Xmodem" protocol), running on your MSDOS machine you can use any version of MODEM7, IMP, or MEX on the CP/M machine to transfer files through the RS232 line. You didn't say what kind of CP/M machine you have. As you may know, there are considerable differences in the hardware used on various types of CP/M machines. One would have to know the port addresses and status bits to configure either Kermit or MODEM7 for the CP/M machine. --Keith Petersen Arpa: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Uucp: {bellcore,decwrl,harvard,lll-crg,ucbvax,uw-beaver}!simtel20.arpa!w8sdz GEnie: W8SDZ RCP/M Royal Oak: 313-759-6569 - 300, 1200, 2400 (V.22bis) or 9600 (USR HST) 17-Oct-87 16:58:35-MDT,2616;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 17 Oct 87 16:58:20 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA11570; Sat, 17 Oct 87 15:40:53 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 17 Oct 87 17:38:36 GMT From: poisson.usc.edu!mlinar@OBERON.USC.EDU (Mitch Mlinar) Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Subject: Re: Wish, wish *** CP/M KERMIT *** Message-Id: <4748@oberon.USC.EDU> References: <4260002@hpirs.HP.COM> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <4260002@hpirs.HP.COM> kerschen@hpirs.HP.COM (Karen Kerschen) writes: > >Now, I find myself with a wondrously more reliable, nicer-to-use >HP series 150 type II, with two 3 1/2" micro-floppy disk drives, and MS-DOS >operating system to use at home. You guessed it: I'd like to transfer >all the material stored on my 8" diskettes onto my new system. > >So far, with the help of techie friends, I've succeeded in reading the >8" diskettes onto my HP screen, but not capturing the data onto the 3 1/2" >media. I'm having my RS-232 cable and port checked to verify that the >protocols are compatible. But once that's done, I'll need a CPM version >of **** KERMIT ***** to send the data files over the line >from CPMland to MS-DOSdom. > Hmmmm. You may have trouble with this one. I have KERMIT for the Kaypro and Xerox, but it is not "nice"; KERMIT has all kinds of problems transmitting any files with non-ASCII characters (such as found in unstripped WordStar, dBase, Supercalc, etc.) I would *strongly* suggest that you obtain Xtalk (Crosstalk) or some similiar PD modem program (MEX?) which handles the XMODEM protocol for you HP150. First of all, every system I come across these days supports it; second, with the 1k packets, it blows away KERMIT for file transfers; third, it handles *all* files. If you don't have at least one modem program for your 8" CP/M, I have at least 5 different flavors of it in source and object - just plop in your driver. Of course, I am presuming that you are going to use your HP150 to talk to other systems. In particular, if you are going to contact any BBSes, you will need XMODEM support if you wish to upload/download any files - most BBSes do NOT support KERMIT. -Mitch If *all* else fails, I also have the source to KERMIT in C buried around here somewhere. 17-Oct-87 20:25:40-MDT,1399;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 17 Oct 87 20:24:51 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA14256; Sat, 17 Oct 87 19:23:52 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 18 Oct 87 01:24:01 GMT From: ken@cs.rochester.edu (Ken Yap) Organization: U of Rochester, CS Dept, Rochester, NY Subject: Re: Wish, wish *** CP/M KERMIT *** Message-Id: <3331@sol.ARPA> References: <4260002@hpirs.HP.COM>, <4748@oberon.USC.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa |Hmmmm. You may have trouble with this one. I have KERMIT for the Kaypro |and Xerox, but it is not "nice"; KERMIT has all kinds of problems transmitting |any files with non-ASCII characters (such as found in unstripped WordStar, |dBase, Supercalc, etc.) I don't know what version of Kermit you have but Kermit has absolutely no problems transmitting all 8 bits, since it has a quoting facility to translate everything into a printable subset of ASCII. The host operating system may have problems storing the files, but that is another issue. I used to regularly transmit cross-compiled 8080 programs from Unix to my CP/M box with CP/M-80 Kermit. Ken 17-Oct-87 20:26:09-MDT,1842;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 17 Oct 87 20:25:53 MDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA14272; Sat, 17 Oct 87 19:24:26 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 18 Oct 87 01:29:38 GMT From: ken@cs.rochester.edu (Ken Yap) Organization: U of Rochester, CS Dept, Rochester, NY Subject: Re: Wish, wish *** CP/M KERMIT *** Message-Id: <3332@sol.ARPA> References: Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa |Karen, if you have a modem program like CROSSTALK, QMODEM, PROCOMM, |MEX-PC, GT, ZCOMM, etc. (anything that will do the "Xmodem" protocol), |running on your MSDOS machine you can use any version of MODEM7, IMP, |or MEX on the CP/M machine to transfer files through the RS232 line. |You didn't say what kind of CP/M machine you have. As you may know, |there are considerable differences in the hardware used on various |types of CP/M machines. One would have to know the port addresses and |status bits to configure either Kermit or MODEM7 for the CP/M machine. The CP/M Kermit from Columbia U has a generic mode to use the IOBYTE calls. This is slower, but for a one-shot effort, who cares. Configuring CP/M-80 Kermit is not a problem. There are many types of machines supported by the code and it was easy to find one close to my box. Karen, you can get CP/M Kermit by anonymous ftp to CU-20B as I did but you would still have to get Kermit into your machine. I used XMODEM to bootstrap. I think the most hassle free way is to get an 8 in Kermit diskette from some helpful soul. Ken 21-Oct-87 09:41:24-MDT,5604;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from LL.ARPA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed, 21 Oct 87 09:40:09 MDT Date: Wed 21 Oct 1987 11:30:12 EDT From: Subject: Joe Loda's Questions To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Cc: SAGE@LL.ARPA Message-ID: The following is a reply to questions posed by Joe Loda several weeks ago. I am posting to the net for general interest. I don't know if anyone else stepped in to answer your queries about ZCPR3. I hope so, since I have been so busy the last several weeks that I have not had time to answer mail. I don't have much time now either, but I will try to provide some very quick answers. I have or will be covering some of these things in my column in The Computer Journal. 1). Just what does an ECP do? ARUNZ seems to be the choice, but I don't know why. Is there any doc for ARUNZ floating about? The ECP (extended command processor) comes into play when the command processor cannot process the command as a resident command in the CCP, FCP, or RCP or as a transient command (COM file). ZCPR3 then loads the designated extended command processor file (typically CMDRUN.COM) and passes the user's command to it as an argument. Thus if you entered "DO SOMETHING" and DO.COM could not be found, the command would run (almost) as if you had entered "CMDRUN DO SOMETHING". You can rename any of a number of programs to CMDRUN.COM to serve as the ECP. Indeed, ARUNZ is the one of choice in my opinion. More about that later. Other possibilities are: ZEX or SUBMIT will automatically run a batch file entered as a command name (as with SUB in CP/M3 systems) LX automatic extraction of the COM file from COMMANDS.LBR ARUNZ is an alias generator. There is a file ARUNZ.HLP on my remote access system (617-965-7259, 24hrs, 300/1200/2400, PW=DDT), but few people seem to have paid any attention to it (find it and other ARUNZ material with the command "FF ARUNZ"). It is a little outdated at this point but should serve as a guide. Basically, you create a text file called ALIAS.CMD with the alias scripts you want to use. Each line of the file is a separate script. At the very beginning of the line is the name (or names) for the script. Multiple names can be connected by '=', each name can have the wildcard character '?' or a period. Characters after the period do not have to be present, but any characters that are present much match (see examples below). A space or tab character separates the script name from the script commands. The script recognizes a wide range of parameters for performing complex command generation. Any command line token can be parsed into its drive, user number, file name and file type components; system file names can be substituted; memory and register contents can be read; the user can be prompted for input. The parameters are described in ARUNZ.HLP (though there are a couple of new features not covered there). Here is a sample line: FINDF.ILE=FILE.FIND=WH.EREIS=WIS ff $* This line will respond to any of the following user commands on the left, translating them to the commands on the right: findf *.doc ff *.doc where w*.* ff w*.* wis arunz.hlp /e ff arunz.hlp /e The $* parameter in the script stands for the entire command tail. 2). Is there any documentation for the utilities? I have ZCPR3, The Manual, but it doesn't talk about any of the new ones. The .LBR files contain only update information (ARUNZ is a case in point). "ZCPR3, The Manual" is unfortunately quite out of date at this point. You can get some basic information about almost any ZCPR3 utility by entering it with a tail of '//' (e.g., A0:BASE>PROGRAM //). For more detailed information, look for a DOC file with the distribution library or read the beginning of the source code (even if you don't know assembly language). And don't forget to look around for a .HLP file. The latter may be in a separate HELP directory on many systems. Documentation is a real problem. I don't have nearly enough time to write all the code I can think of, so I tend not to spend the time required on the documentation. Several individuals who do not know how to write code have volunteered to help with documentation. Bob Frazier (I believe) wrote the ARUNZ.HLP file. I would love to have some additional volunteers! 3). Is there any summary of what all the various Z system utilities do. As a novice to the Z world, I constantly see things like "a new version of ASDF has been released". It would be nice to be able to look at a list and see a one line description of ASDF. If you call any one of the Z-Nodes and enter the FOR command, you will get short descriptions of the files that have been uploaded to or placed on the system. Thus entering "FOR ASDF" might give you a quick description of the program. I am not aware of any compendium of such descriptions. This would be a very worthy project for someone who would like to contribute to the Z community but perhaps cannot write code. Echelon at one time had an 8.5x11 card (front and back) with all the commands, but I would guess that the card is rather out of date at this point. Jay Sage 23-Oct-87 07:28:11-MDT,726;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:DROMS@BKNLVMS.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 23 Oct 87 07:27:49 MDT Received: from BKNLVMS.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Fri, 23 Oct 87 08:26:15 CDT Date: Fri, 23 Oct 87 09:19 EDT From: Subject: VT100 terminal emulator To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa X-Original-To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I'm looking for a VT100 terminal emulator for a CP/M system. I'd prefer an implementation for a Xerox 820-I, writtne in either Small C or C/80, but am willing to modify other versions. Please respond directly to: droms@bknlvms.bitnet. Thanks... - Ralph Droms CS Dept. Bucknell University 24-Oct-87 01:11:25-MDT,899;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from E.ISI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 24 Oct 87 01:11:11 MDT Date: 23 Oct 1987 21:30-CDT Sender: SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU Subject: 8088 co-processor From: John A. Wright To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <[E.ISI.EDU]23-Oct-87 21:30:40.SAC.HQSAC-DOCT> I am about to receive an 8088 co-processor for my CBM-700 (Commodore B-128) system. According to the book, this will allow me to run both CP/M-86 and MS-DOS programs. I have been downloading SIGM CP/M-86 files like crazy, but don't know about any MS-DOS files. To make matters worse, I am not sure what MS-DOS really is. Can anyone lend a hand? Most of what I am doing is for the club I belong to (Chicago B Users Group, CBUG for short). Any help would be very greatly appreciated. Thanks, the ORPHAN machine! 24-Oct-87 18:40:59-MDT,6996;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from CICGE.RPI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat, 24 Oct 87 18:39:39 MDT Received: from (TCPMAINT)RPICICGE.BITNET by CICGE.RPI.EDU on 10/23/87 at 15:01:28 EDT Received: by RPICICGE (Mailer X1.25) id 5160; Fri, 23 Oct 87 15:01:13 EDT Date: Fri, 23 Oct 87 13:48:57 EDT From: "John S. Fisher" To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: CP/M software file server on Bitnet I have made a few radical changes to the CP/M file server on Bitnet. I will describe the changes first, then, for many of the newer people on this list who never heard of the server, I'll review its use. (1) The server has been redesigned to use a disk "cache" for keeping only the most recently/frequently requested files online. Requests for files not in the cache are deferred for overnight processing. The offline-to-online procedure is automated, but subject to delays; if a request cannot be satisfied in 5 days, the request is abandoned. (2) The archive is now more current than the former collection (which was dated 17 July 1987). I will try to keep my server up to date with Simtel20, at least within a week or two. This means very new files on Simtel20 will not be immediately available on my server, and the reverse for recent deletions. Synchronizing my server with Simtel20 is a manual process I'll perform on a best-efforts basis. (3) THE SERVER IS STILL EXPERIMENTAL, AND INFORMATION ABOUT IT SHOULD STILL BE KEPT CONFIDENTIAL TO THIS GROUP. Nonetheless, the archives have been expanded to include the MSDOS, PC-BLUE and SIGM collections. The server claims to recognize the ADA and CPMUG directories, but it lies. (I had intended to include the CPMUG files, however, a problem with the CPMUG directory list has delayed this.) (4) The /PDDIR command is available for getting directory listings. (5) As before, if you have any comments, questions or problems with the server, direct them to FISHER@RPICICGE.BITNET (me), and not the Info-CPM mailing list. ***************************************************************** * Help information for the PDGET command. * ***************************************************************** Selected portions of the SIMTEL20 public domain software archives are available at RPICICGE.BITNET. At present the collections include the following directories: PD: -- The Info-CPM archive (CP/M machines). PD: -- The SIG/M User Group archive (CP/M machines). PD: -- The PC-Blue software archive (IBM PC's). PD: -- The MSDOS archive (MSDOS machines). Planned: PD: -- The CP/M User Group archive. Any of the files in these collections are available from the file server LISTSERV@RPICICGE.BITNET. The server responds to two commands. /PDDIR requests a directory listing of files available in an archive, and /PDGET requests a file from an archive. The file server accepts commands in both interactive messages or RFC822-style mail. (On VM and MVS Bitnet hosts, TELL LISTSERV AT RPICICGE... can be used to send an interactive message. Other Bitnet systems may have similar facilities. People on non-Bitnet systems must use the mail interface, and must insure that the From: header represents a valid return path.) ****Note: The server actually responds to many, many other commands, but none of them have anything to do with the archives. The two commands have the following form: /PDGET simtel.filename < ( encoding > /PDDIR simtel.pattern The <...> mark things that are optional. * "simtel.filename" specifies the name of a file to be delivered to the user. Names are usually of the form "PD:name.type" * "simtel.pattern" specifies a search pattern used in generating a directory listing. The form of the pattern is like the filename mentioned above, but asterisks (*) may be used freely in the subdir, name, and type parts as wild cards (but not in the dir field.) * "format" specifies the method of transmission to be used: NETDATA -- suitable for transfer to Bitnet hosts that can accept files in IBM Netdata format. PUNCH -- suitable for transfer to Bitnet hosts that can accept files but cannot decode the Netdata format. Files are sent as 80-byte card-images. MAIL -- suitable for transfer to hosts that can accept only mail or are accessible to Bitnet only through gateways. Large files sent via mail are split into several smaller files that the recipient must reassemble. If the format is omitted, NETDATA is assumed for Bitnet hosts and MAIL for all others. * "encoding" specifies any special encoding of the file data: ASIS -- suitable for hosts that can receive binary data. The file is sent exactly as it is stored on my system: CP/M sector images, binary mostly. ASIS may be used only with format NETDATA. UUENCODE -- suitable for hosts that cannot receive binary data. The file is sent uuencoded. TRANSLATE -- suitable for any host, but only when the file actually represents readable text. The file is translated into character data format. If the encoding is omitted, files are sent ASIS if the transmission format is NETDATA, and UUENCODEd otherwise. /PDDIR Examples: ================ (1) The user is looking for the LASM program. /PDDIR PD:LASM.* (2) The user wants a listing of the full CPM collection. /PDDIR PD: /PDGET Examples: ================ In each of the following examples the user wants the CPM.CRCLST file to examine on his host and the UNARC16.ARK file to download to his micro, both from the CPM collection. Note that none of the examples have a closing parenthesis! (1) The user is on an IBM host directly connected to Bitnet: /PDGET NETDATA PD:CPM.CRCLST (TRANSLATE /PDGET NETDATA PD:UNARC16.ARK (2) The user is on a non-IBM host directly connected to Bitnet and can receive Netdata files: /PDGET NETDATA PD:CPM.CRCLST (TRANSLATE /PDGET NETDATA PD:UNARC16.ARK (UUE (3) The user is on a non-IBM host directly connected to Bitnet and can receive punch files: /PDGET PUNCH PD:CPM.CRCLST (TRANSLATE /PDGET PUNCH PD:UNARC16.ARK (UUE (4) The user is on some host somewhere: /PDGET MAIL PD:CPM.CRCLST (TRANSLATE /PDGET MAIL PD:UNARC16.ARK (UUE 25-Oct-87 09:52:23-MST,849;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from E.ISI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun, 25 Oct 87 09:52:13 MST Date: 25 Oct 1987 11:51-CST Sender: SAC.HQSAC-DOCT@E.ISI.EDU Subject: CP/M clarification From: John A. Wright To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA Message-ID: <[E.ISI.EDU]25-Oct-87 11:51:22.SAC.HQSAC-DOCT> Can anyone answer the following questions: 1. What is the difference between CP/M, CP/M-80, CP/M-86, CP/M+, Concurrent CP/M-86, M/PM etc. Specifically, what microprocessors are used with each and whether or not any are compatible with any others. 2. What is ZCPR2/3 and what is it used with/for. 3. What is "SMALL C" and how is it used. Any help will be greatly appreciated. I will be in the CP/M world shortly with a 8088 microprocessor and need to know what I have. 26-Oct-87 10:36:25-MST,2714;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 26 Oct 87 10:35:37 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA04826; Mon, 26 Oct 87 09:16:56 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 26 Oct 87 02:13:10 GMT From: hao!gatech!dscatl!rebel!george@ames.arpa (George M. Sipe) Organization: Tolerant Systems, Atlanta GA Subject: Complete CP/M system for sale Message-Id: <15469@rebel.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa $5,000 CP/M system for $500 plus shipping - hardware (paid over $2,500) and software (paid over $2,500). I no longer use this system and have priced it for quick sale (each of the diskette drives alone are worth the asking price!). Excellent physical and electrical condition, complete manuals: XOR S-100 mainframe with 4 slots (three used), power supply Zilog Z80A processor, 64 Kb memory Floppy controller handles 5.25" and 8" drives, any format 2 1.2 MB (each) reliable 8" floppy drives (Tandon half-heights) 2 serial ports (up to 19.2 kbaud each), 1 parallel port 1 serial terminal cable, 1 parallel printer cable Software and manuals: CP/M-80 2.2, BASIC-80, Condor DBMS, Fortran 80 (w/M80), JRT Pascal, MAC/SID, Master Planner, MIX-C, Multiplan, Nevada Edit, NorthStar Basic, Random House Proofreader, Target Task, and WordStar 1.2 MB DSDD Diskettes (all in black plastic library cases): Two Boxes (10 each) DSDD (w/public domain software) Five Boxes (10 each) DSDD (blank - 60 MB!) (plus 2 boxes mixed format commercial software) CP/M and Z80 books: CP/M Revealed, Illustrated Multiplan, Inside CP/M, MultiPlan Applications, Multiplan MicroRef, Programming the Z80, Proportional WordStar, Z-80 Microprocessor..., and ZCPR3 - The Manual All that is needed for a great, working system is a terminal. I'll throw in a Liberty Freedom 110 which is in excellent physical condition but has an intermittent power supply problem. This is probably easily fixed - I'm just not a hardware person myself. The terminal has low mileage, a manual and original shipping box. Terms: will not split, you pay shipping, will be shipped COD via UPS, first come - first served (I frequently travel but I'll return calls and e-mail in the order received). Questions welcome. --- George M. Sipe, Phone: (404) 662-1533 Tolerant Systems, 6961 Peachtree Industrial, Norcross, GA 30071 UUCP: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,rutgers,seismo}!gatech!rebel!george 26-Oct-87 22:30:41-MST,1807;000000000000 Return-Path: <@wiscvm.wisc.edu:MSRS003@ECNCDC.BITNET> Received: from wiscvm.wisc.edu by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon, 26 Oct 87 22:30:07 MST Received: from ECNCDC.BITNET by wiscvm.wisc.edu ; Tue, 27 Oct 87 00:28:49 CDT Date: Mon 26 Oct 1987 23:09 CDT From: Scott McBurney Subject: Tandy News To: To all of those with Tandy/TRS-80 Model I, III, or 4 systems. Tandy abandoned support for their 8 bit computers a while back. Now, the news is that 80-Micro will be abandoning support for them as of the January 1988 issue. To cope with the lack of support, several groups of authors and programmers have gotten together and have created 2 things. The first is the TRS-TIMES news letter. The first issue will be in January and was originally only going to be about 5 pages. At last count there were near 20 or more. This news letter will be a bi-monthly publication and the authors are requesting a $15 subscription fee. The second is the TRS-LINK electronic magazine. This will basically be an electronic newsletter which will be distributed free of charge through several bulletin boards and through GEnie. If anyone would like detailed information on either of these, please send me a letter. If you would like to receive a copy of TRS-LINK, also send me a letter because I will be distributing it to BITNET, ARPANET, and anyone else on the internet who wishes a copy. Scott McBurney, Western Illinois University -------------------------------------------------------------------------- GEnie: S.MCBURNEY BITNET: MSRS003@ECNCDC Internet: MSRS003%ECNCDC.BITNET@WISCVM.WISC.EDU -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27-Oct-87 13:05:36-MST,1011;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 27 Oct 87 13:05:22 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA06344; Tue, 27 Oct 87 11:31:49 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 26 Oct 87 20:19:52 GMT From: ihnp4!homxb!mtuxo!3215rfs@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (3215-R.SOYACK) Organization: AT&T, Middletown NJ Subject: CP/M (Heathkit computer) programs Message-Id: <896@mtuxo.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa My division (AT&T) is donating some surplus Heathkit CP/M machines to the local Primary School. My problem is locating programs that would be of interest/useful for primary school age children (ages 6-10). I am interested in word processing programs, educational programs and games. Thanks in advance, Rich Soyack 27-Oct-87 15:15:10-MST,989;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from CICGE.RPI.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 27 Oct 87 15:14:53 MST Received: from (TCPMAINT)RPICICGE.BITNET by CICGE.RPI.EDU on 10/26/87 at 12:41:02 EST Received: by RPICICGE (Mailer X1.25) id 8520; Mon, 26 Oct 87 12:40:53 EST Date: Mon, 26 Oct 87 12:32:45 EST From: "John S. Fisher" To: INFO-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Archive file server on Bitnet There is nothing like a quality file server. And what I released last Friday was nothing like a quality file server. In switching the server from test mode to production I broke all of the special format routines. Everything except NETDATA/ASIS and PUNCH/ASIS requests were politely accepted by the server then mangled as soon as convenient. If you submitted requests to LISTSERV@RPICICGE.BITNET any time before 12:30 EST, Monday, October 26, my apologies. I believe the problem has been fixed, so please try again. Sigh :-) 27-Oct-87 18:09:49-MST,2437;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 27 Oct 87 18:09:15 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA13086; Tue, 27 Oct 87 16:17:46 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 26 Oct 87 19:33:43 GMT From: ssc-vax!shuksan!mikey@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Mike Fields) Organization: Boeing Mountain Network, Seattle WA Subject: Re: VT100 terminal emulator Message-Id: <361@shuksan.UUCP> References: <8710231331.AA29833@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa > I'm looking for a VT100 terminal emulator for a CP/M system. I'd > prefer an implementation for a Xerox 820-I, writtne in either Small C > or C/80, but am willing to modify other versions. > > Please respond directly to: droms@bknlvms.bitnet. Thanks... > > - Ralph Droms > CS Dept. > Bucknell University I too would like a copy of above requested software. Thanks Mikey (yes "he likes it!") My job is so secret even I don't know what I'm doing =============================================================================== email: real person: Life: ==> ssc-vax!shuksan!mikey (206) 251-4638 [work] Mike Fields (alt) ssc-vax!mikey (206) 821-3492 [home] 12022 N.E. 138th Pl. Kirkland, Wa. 98034 =============================================================================== -- Thanks Mikey (yes "he likes it!") My job is so secret even I don't know what I'm doing =============================================================================== email: real person: Life: ==> ssc-vax!shuksan!mikey (206) 251-4638 [work] Mike Fields (alt) ssc-vax!mikey (206) 821-3492 [home] 12022 N.E. 138th Pl. Kirkland, Wa. 98034 =============================================================================== 27-Oct-87 19:35:29-MST,3166;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue, 27 Oct 87 19:34:47 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA15892; Tue, 27 Oct 87 18:13:02 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 27 Oct 87 15:32:48 GMT From: decuac!felix!zemon@umd5.umd.edu (Art Zemon) Organization: FileNet Corp., Costa Mesa, CA Subject: Wonderful Support from MicroPro Message-Id: <10690@felix.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa The following is from my father, who knows next to nothing about computers and was, to say the least, *very* apprehensive about installing WordStar on his CP/M machine. -- Art Zemon By Computer: ...!hplabs!felix!zemon By Air: Archer N33565 By Golly: moderator of comp.unix.ultrix October 22, 1987 Mr. Leon Williams, President and Chief Executive Officer Micropro International Corporation 33 San Pablo Avenue San Rafael, CA 94903 Thank you, Mr. Williams -- for the excellent documentation and, especially, for the person-to-person assistance your organization has provided for purchasers of WordStar 4.0 upgrades. In the process of trying to install the new version, I ran into a few minor problems and a telephone call to the number provided in the reference material got me on track immediately. A couple of times my call was answered by a recording but I was never on "hold" for more than a fraction of a minute before a genuine live person was on the line. Then I ran into a real problem. My printer would not work. It had worked with my earlier version of WordStar; it should have worked now; but it didn't. I want to let you know how much I respect your Customer Service Representative Kevin and appreciate the help he gave me. It took several calls from me to him and from him to me, several conferences between Kevin and his advisor, and (I believe) a call from them to the manufacturer of my printer, but they didn't give up until they had determined that the printer initialization string needed modifying and I was back in operation. During one of my conversations with Kevin, I happened to ask how many customer service reps were working there. I was astounded at the large number and compliment you on how seriously you take the matter of client assistance. Very literally, your staff made an intimidating job workable (in fact, almost easy). I plan to upload this letter to CompuServe's CPM special interest group and to the Usenet comp.os.cpm newsgroup so that others can know of my total satisfaction. Sincerely, I. Richard Zemon, B.S., M.A. National Certified Counselor IRZ:s -- -- Art Zemon By Computer: ...!hplabs!felix!zemon By Air: Archer N33565 By Golly: moderator of comp.unix.ultrix 29-Oct-87 04:34:28-MST,2206;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 29 Oct 87 04:34:15 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA23790; Thu, 29 Oct 87 02:19:35 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Oct 87 05:15:14 GMT From: umn-d-ub!rhealey@rutgers.edu (Rob Healey) Organization: U. of Minnesota, Duluth - Computing Services Subject: Re: Tandy News Message-Id: <116@umn-d-ub.D.UMN.EDU> References: <8710270533.AA21127@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa In article <8710270533.AA21127@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> MSRS003@ECNCDC.BITNET (Scott McBurney) writes: >To all of those with Tandy/TRS-80 Model I, III, or 4 systems. > >Tandy abandoned support for their 8 bit computers a while back. Now, >the news is that 80-Micro will be abandoning support for them as of the >January 1988 issue. > To cope with the lack of support, several groups of authors and programmers >have gotten together and have created 2 things. > The first is the TRS-TIMES news letter. The first issue will be in >January and was originally only going to be about 5 pages. At last count >there were near 20 or more. This news letter will be a bi-monthly >publication and the authors are requesting a $15 subscription fee. > The second is the TRS-LINK electronic magazine. This will basically >be an electronic newsletter which will be distributed free of charge >through several bulletin boards and through GEnie. > There is also the Misosys quarterly for those Z-80 machines running LS-DOS. Good programming tips and interesting technical articles. Catch a recent edition of 80-Micro for Misosys' address. -Rob Healey rhealey@ub.d.umn.edu p.s. I am working out the details to become a Tandy archive for the internet, aka anonymous ftp. All Tandys, 1/3/4, coco and clones would be in the archive with an emphasis on 1/3/4 systems and CP/M. Watch comp.sys.tandy for official announcement. -- -Rob 29-Oct-87 04:34:50-MST,1189;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 29 Oct 87 04:34:40 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA24438; Thu, 29 Oct 87 02:49:09 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Oct 87 02:57:12 GMT From: oliveb!epimass!epiwrl!parker@ames.arpa (Alan Parker) Organization: Entropic Processing, Inc., Washington, DC Subject: Re: CP/M (Heathkit computer) programs Message-Id: <1756@epiwrl.EPI.COM> References: <896@mtuxo.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I would contact the Heath User's Group (HUG) at 616 982-3838. They have a large library of User contributed software. They also can probably give you the names of some vendors that might have the type of software you want. Since that machine is at the far end of its life cycle, perhaps you can convince them to donate some copies. HUG also has a bbd, at (616) 982-3956; though you might have to be a member to download things; I'm not sure. 29-Oct-87 18:16:47-MST,895;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 29 Oct 87 18:16:32 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA10085; Thu, 29 Oct 87 16:03:57 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 27 Oct 87 22:07:00 GMT From: uxc.cso.uiuc.edu!uicsrd!konicek@a.cs.uiuc.edu Subject: HELP--- CPM-86 Message-Id: <46500004@uicsrd> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa Does anybody out there in net-land know where I can get a copy of CPM-86. DRI no longer supports or distributes it. I AM DESPERATE!!! Thanks in advance, Jeff Konicek ARPA: konicek%uicsrd@a.cs.uiuc.edu USENET: uiucdcs!uicsrd!konicek ATT: 217 244 0044 29-Oct-87 19:08:16-MST,1037;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu, 29 Oct 87 19:07:52 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA08729; Thu, 29 Oct 87 15:08:42 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Oct 87 15:09:44 GMT From: ihnp4!homxb!mtuxo!mtgzz!bjh@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (XMRN50000[lab]-b.j.hudson) Organization: AT&T, Middletown NJ Subject: wanted, Small C Message-Id: <3240@mtgzz.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa I missed the posting here of Small C as originally published in Dr. Dobb's Journal. I am looking for the C source or 6502 source for a Commodore C-64. I have a C compiler for the C-64, but it would be nice to port the public domain Small C to the C-64. Please e-mail to me ihnp4....mtgzz!bjh. (No CP/M vs. C-64 flames please) .......BJ 30-Oct-87 04:44:12-MST,1908;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 30 Oct 87 04:43:53 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA23057; Fri, 30 Oct 87 03:18:27 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 29 Oct 87 18:12:58 GMT From: pitstop!sundc!hadron!insight!bhh@sun.com (Brian Hughes) Organization: FidoNet node 109/634 - INSIGHT, Washington DC Subject: CP/M (Heathkit computer) programs Message-Id: <3.2187BEB4@insight> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa > > My division (AT&T) is donating some surplus Heathkit CP/M machines to > the local Primary School. My problem is locating programs that would > be of interest/useful for primary school age children (ages 6-10). > > I am interested in word processing programs, educational programs and > games. > > Thanks in advance, > Rich Soyack There are certainly a great number of programs out there that will do what you're looking for, but it would be very time consuming to pull them all together. We have a BBS here in DC that specializes in CP/M and I have a ton of it for my two Teletek S-100's sitting here, but for primary grade children.... beats me. -- Brian Hughes +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Member : Board of Directors, International FidoNet Association | | FidoNet : 1:109/634.1 (Insight - 202-543-2146 - SEAdog/Opus/UUCP) | | UUCP : ..!{uunet|sundc|rlgvax|netxcom|decuac|}!hadron!insight!bhh | | USnail : 212 E. Capitol St., Washington, DC 20003 (202) 543-4200 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ 30-Oct-87 16:19:48-MST,2714;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri, 30 Oct 87 16:19:37 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.58/1.27) id AA06234; Fri, 30 Oct 87 14:36:28 PST Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for info-cpm-ddn@simtel20.arpa (info-cpm@simtel20.arpa) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 30 Oct 87 19:47:01 GMT From: gatech!rebel!george@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (George M. Sipe) Organization: Tolerant Systems, Atlanta GA Subject: Complete CP/M system for sale Message-Id: <16181@rebel.UUCP> Sender: info-cpm-request@simtel20.arpa To: info-cpm@simtel20.arpa $5,000 CP/M system for $500 plus shipping - hardware (paid over $2,500) and software (paid over $2,500). I no longer use this system and have priced it for quick sale (each of the diskette drives alone are worth the asking price!). Excellent physical and electrical condition, complete manuals: XOR S-100 mainframe with 4 slots (three used), power supply Zilog Z80A processor, 64 Kb memory Floppy controller handles 5.25" and 8" drives, any format 2 1.2 MB (each) reliable 8" floppy drives (Tandon half-heights) 2 serial ports (up to 19.2 kbaud each), 1 parallel port 1 serial terminal cable, 1 parallel printer cable Software and manuals: CP/M-80 2.2, BASIC-80, Condor DBMS, Fortran 80 (w/M80), JRT Pascal, MAC/SID, Master Planner, MIX-C, Multiplan, Nevada Edit, NorthStar Basic, Random House Proofreader, Target Task, and WordStar 1.2 MB DSDD Diskettes (all in black plastic library cases): Two Boxes (10 each) DSDD (w/public domain software) Five Boxes (10 each) DSDD (blank - 60 MB!) (plus 2 boxes mixed format commercial software) CP/M and Z80 books: CP/M Revealed, Illustrated Multiplan, Inside CP/M, MultiPlan Applications, Multiplan MicroRef, Programming the Z80, Proportional WordStar, Z-80 Microprocessor..., and ZCPR3 - The Manual All that is needed for a great, working system is a terminal. I'll throw in a Liberty Freedom 110 which is in excellent physical condition but has an intermittent power supply problem. This is probably easily fixed - I'm just not a hardware person myself. The terminal has low mileage, a manual and original shipping box. Terms: will not split, you pay shipping, will be shipped COD via UPS, first come - first served (I frequently travel but I'll return calls and e-mail in the order received). Questions welcome. -- George M. Sipe, Phone: (404) 662-1533 Tolerant Systems, 6961 Peachtree Industrial, Norcross, GA 30071 UUCP: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,linus,rutgers,seismo}!gatech!rebel!george 31-Oct-87 20:46:17-MST,697;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 31-Oct-87 20:46:11 Date: Saturday, 31 October 1987 13:11-MST Message-ID: Sender: "John A. Wright" From: "John A. Wright" To: info-cpm-request@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: sac.hqsac-doct@E.ISI.EDU Subject: THANKS ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm ReSent-Date: Sat 31 Oct 1987 20:46-MST I would like to thank all who provided answers to my questions. I know that I missed a few in my direct replys. Your information has given me and my club (CBUG INTERNATIONAL) a new capability that will prove invaluable. Again, thanks to all.