1-Apr-89 02:00:46-MST,7282;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 1 Apr 89 01:30:34 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #78 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 1 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 78 Today's Topics: New processor rumour (3 msgs) Unarchive programs (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Mar 89 12:37:52 GMT From: mcvax!kth!enea!ericom!kk32.ericsson.se!etxbrfa@uunet.uu.net (Bj|rn Fahller TT/MLG) Subject: New processor rumour I've heard some rumours that Zilog recently has released a NEW version of the Z80 processor. The new version should (according to the rumours) have a largely expanded instruction set, with multiplication, division, SIO routines, etc... Is this actually the case? I thought Z80 was out years ago. ---------------------------------------------------------------\_ SNAIL: Bjoern Fahller Vox humana: (+46) 8 - 719 62 52 \_ ERICSSON TELECOM Fax machina: (+46) 8 - 740 28 34_/ Dept. KK/ETX/TT/MLG ,--------------------------------/ S-126 25 STOCKHOLM ,/ "The more you know, SWEDEN ,/ the better you realize -------------------------/ how little you know" Please DO comment on my language. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 89 21:01:21 GMT From: rpi!pawl1.pawl.rpi.edu!night@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Trip Martin) Subject: New processor rumour In article <240@ericom.ericsson.se> etxbrfa@kk32.ericsson.se (Bj|rn Fahller TT/MLG) writes: >I've heard some rumours that Zilog recently has released a NEW version of the >Z80 processor. The new version should (according to the rumours) have a largely >expanded instruction set, with multiplication, division, SIO routines, etc... > >Is this actually the case? I thought Z80 was out years ago. > You aren't thinking about the Z280? I'm pretty sure it's out on the market now. A friend of mine has preliminary specs dating back to 1984 (it was the Z800 back then). Here's a brief rundown of the new architecture from what I remember: * 16 bit bus * 16meg addressibility, although programs still only see the 64k address range of the Z80. There are 16 page registers for mapping. It can either be done by 8k pages with separate I&D mappings, or 4k pages with no distinction between I&D. * Supervisor and user modes * Support for traps and exceptions, including stack overflow, page fault, illegal instruction, etc. * Builtin UART * Hardware programmable wait-states (0-15) If anyone wants more info, I'll try to get it... Trip Martin night@pawl.rpi.edu night@uruguay.acm.rpi.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Apr 89 02:37:32 GMT From: vsi1!daver!lynx!neal@apple.com (Neal Woodall) Subject: New processor rumour In article <240@ericom.ericsson.se> etxbrfa@kk32.ericsson.se (Bj|rn Fahller TT/MLG) writes: >I've heard some rumours that Zilog recently has released a NEW version >of the Z80 processor. The new version should (according to the rumours) >have a largely expanded instruction set, with multiplication, division, >SIO routines, etc... >Is this actually the case? I thought Z80 was out years ago. Depends on what you mean by "out". To the magazines/periodicals (like EDN, EE Times, ESD (Electronic Systems Design, NOT Electro-Static Discharge), Computer Design, etc. the Z80 might be "out" because it is not the "newest, flashiest, most powerful 32-bitter" offered. Remember, these magazines try to "hype" the high-tech stuff because that is what is "exciting" to all of the engineers. If you read these mags a lot, then you might very well get the idea that 8-bit is "out" and the only kind of processor any self-respecting engineer would desing with is the latest 32-bit RISC machine. Actually, the 8-bit processors and single chip computers/controlers represent the largest share of revenue generated by the companies which supply processors to the commercial market...they are used in things like microwave ovens, refridgerators, copy machines, soft drink machines, etc. (note...TI still makes lots of bucks selling 4-bit micros!) It will probably be a loooong time before the 8-bitter bites the dust, if ever. I know I will probably get MANY flames for this....even though the stuff I am presently working on is 25 MHz 68030 VME, I still have a soft-spot in my heart for the good old 65C02! I catch "hell" for saying this from my co-workers all of the time! Neal P.S. Your english is fine (isn't this what you ment by "please comment on my language"...of course, I am the world's worst speller, so what do I know? ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 89 14:07:46 GMT From: att!mtuxo!mtgzz!drutx!rlm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (MesenbrinkRL) Subject: Unarchive programs In article , w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL (Keith Petersen) writes: > Bob, are you really sure you have UNARC 1.6? It DOES handle squashed > (PKWare) members. > > If you're talking about ARCs made by NoGate Consulting's PAK program > which makes "crushed" members then you are right. UNARC 1.6 will not > handle those. Keith is absolutely right. UNARC 1.6 does handle squashed members. I checked the version of UNARC that I use and it is version 1.6. My problem was that I would get a error stating that the archive file could not be found. It turns out that the archive name has an "_" (underscore) in it. Evidently, UNARC (or CP/M?) doesn't recognize the underscore as a valid file name character. When I renamed the archive, all was well. Thanks to Keith for getting me back on track. Bob Mesenbrink Denver ------------------------------ Date: 31 Mar 89 19:27:49 GMT From: bsu-cs!neubauer@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Neubauer) Subject: Unarchive programs In article <10816@drutx.ATT.COM> rlm@drutx.ATT.COM (MesenbrinkRL) writes: >Keith is absolutely right. UNARC 1.6 does handle squashed members. I >checked the version of UNARC that I use and it is version 1.6. My >problem was that I would get a error stating that the archive file >could not be found. It turns out that the archive name has an "_" >(underscore) in it. Evidently, UNARC (or CP/M?) doesn't recognize >the underscore as a valid file name character. When I renamed the >archive, all was well. Thanks to Keith for getting me back on track. The problem is in CP/M. You are right, CP/M does not recognize the underscore. This means that some (but not all) programs cannot handle underscores in file names. For example, WordStar (if I remember right) can create files with underscores and then deal with them correctly, but you cannot copy, delete, rename, pip or do many other things to them. -- Paul Neubauer neubauer@bsu-cs.bsu.edu neubauer@bsu-cs.UUCP !{iuvax,pur-ee}!bsu-cs!neubauer ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 2-Apr-89 03:15:27-MDT,1432;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 89 01:30:30 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #79 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 2 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 79 Today's Topics: Adventure games ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Apr 89 05:48:00 GMT From: eve.usc.edu!mlinar@oberon.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Adventure games I never thought my daughter would become an interested computer user at her young age, but such is the case. One of her favorites is the small adventure game I made up for her (using a heavily modified ADVEN80 adventure generator - source available if anyone is interested). The original adventure is a tad to much for her, although she loves it. However, turn back the clock ... Remember the old Scott Adam's series of Adventure games. I had one or two on an old machine called the Sorcerer, but that is a pain having only a cassette drive to load 16k. At one time, I recall the whole series being sold on a disk for CP/M. Does anyone even remember this or can lead me to a place where I can get them? My daughter and I thank you. -Mitch ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 3-Apr-89 01:06:40-MDT,2057;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 3 Apr 89 00:30:52 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #80 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 3 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 80 Today's Topics: New processor rumour ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Apr 89 16:30:34 GMT From: mcvax!unido!cosmo!fifi%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (A.F.Zinser) Subject: New processor rumour In article <> night@pawl.rpi.edu (Trip Martin) writes: >In article <240@ericom.ericsson.se> etxbrfa@kk32.ericsson.se (Bj|rn Fahller TT/MLG) writes: >>I've heard some romours that Zilog recently has released a NEW version of the >>Z80 processor. The new version should (according to the rumours) have a largely >>expanded instruction set, with multiplication, division, SIO routines, etc... >> >>Is this actually the case? I thought Z80 was out years ago. >> >You aren't thinking about the Z280? I'm pretty sure it's out on the market >now. A friend of mine has preliminary specs dating back to 1984 (it was >the Z800 back then). > It's on the market since over one year. It is software-compatible to the Z80, but not hardware-kompatible, because it's timning differs a little bit. If anyone wants more information, (s)he can get it: I've the data-sheet of the Z280 and a Z280 itself... +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | _ _ ! ! Axel F. Zinser (_!_) (_!_) ...uunet!mcvax!unido!cosmo!fifi | | Hannover, BRD ! ! fifi@cosmo.UUCP ! ! ! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 4-Apr-89 02:05:32-MDT,5724;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 89 01:30:53 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #81 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 4 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 81 Today's Topics: 'New' Z80 Processor adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system Adventure games Redialing Phones (and "Martin Olivera, where are you?") ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Apr 89 10:41:58 EST From: @ll-vlsi.arpa:black@micro Subject: 'New' Z80 Processor >I've heard some rumours that Zilog recently has released a NEW version of the >Z80 processor. The new version should (according to the rumours) have a largely >expanded instruction set, with multiplication, division, SIO routines, etc... > >Is this actually the case? I thought Z80 was out years ago. >SNAIL: Bjoern Fahller > ERICSSON TELECOM This fellow is (in my opinion) referring to the chip called the Z180 by Zilog. It is in fact a Hitachi product, the HD64180, which has been around for several years, and now Zilog can at least sell it. I have used many of them, in the SB180 single-board computer. This machine is highly recommended for Z80, CP/M, and ZCPR3 enthusiasts. For info see the articles in BYTE magazine in September and October 1985. There is now an electrically Z80 compatible version of the 64180 (it's always been software compatible), so you can use the same annoying peripheral chips. In fact, you won't need them, because the 64180 (aka Z180) has a 2-channel CTC, DMA, SIO, and other goodies all on one chip, as well as the ability to handle up to 1 MByte. A few new instructions are added, mostly to handle the internal I/O ports, and there IS a multiply (8 x 8) instruction (sorry, no divide instruction) It's also an inexpensive chip. Get an SB180 from Micromint ($300., 25 Terrace Dr., Vernon, CT 06066 USA (800)-635-3355) I know the chip's price is $12. in moderate quantities. -----I have no connection with them, other than being a happy customer---- Jerry G Black, MIT Lincoln Laboratory, 244 Wood St. C-120, Lexington MA 02173 Phone (617) 981-4721 Fax (617) 862-9057 black@micro@VLSI.LL.MIT.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 89 18:38:04 GMT From: cadnetix.COM!cadnetix!rusty@uunet.uu.net (Rusty) Subject: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system Well, I just bought myself a nice hard disk controller for my S100 system. Having looked over the CPM manual for a bit, it seems to me that I *should* be able to accomplish the task of adding the controller and hard disk to my system. When I had my Kaypro 10, I seem to recall that it could boot off of either the hard disk OR a floppy. However, one time I tried to make my system boot off of my ramdisk with much less than pleasant results :-). I figured at the time that it had to do with booting from something other than drive A. However, as I think about the Kaypro 10 I doubt it. So, enough rambling, down to the question for the net: Has anyone else added a hard disk to a CP/M system which was not originally configured for a hard disk? Can I do the trick that Kaypro did and boot from either flops or hard? Any words of wisdom? (Other than "Don't do it!" :-) TIA, very much. (*) Rusty. (*) TIA - thanks in advance. ---------- #include "quote.cute" Rusty Carruth UUCP:{uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!rusty DOMAIN: rusty@cadnetix.com Daisy/Cadnetix Corp. (303) 444-8075\ 5775 Flatiron Pkwy. \ Boulder, Co 80301 Radio: N7IKQ 'home': P.O.B. 461 \ Lafayette, CO 80026 ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 89 00:56:41 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!David@uunet.uu.net (David Michael McCord) Subject: Adventure games On the topic of the old Scott Adams adventure games and their availability for CP/M, I seriously doubt there is any legit place to get them. I believe that Mr. Adams company, Adventure International, is defunct. But they used to be available, because I purchased an 8" SSSD disk with CP/M versions of all twelve adventures on it via special order from the local computer store back in '82, I think. It cost me $100 or so. I have not seen it in the Central Computer Products CP/M times catalog (although, curiously, Turbo Modula-2 *is* in it) or anywhere else in many years. David@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 3 Apr 89 18:15:33 GMT From: cadnetix.COM!cadnetix!rusty@uunet.uu.net (Rusty) Subject: Redialing Phones (and "Martin Olivera, where are you?") (I don't know why this is in comp.os.cpm, but....) I was at a ham swap yesterday, and picked up 2 of those tone dialers you stick up in front of your telephone to autodial. (Well, ok, I traded them for some books. I would not have bought them, thats for sure!). It seems to work pretty well. If your application is such that you don't really need hours of fast redial before the person on the other end answers the phone, you might consider one of those. (Radio S sells one for $15, and I got 2 'PortaTouch Tone dialers' at the swap meet, so email me if you want to talk about mine :-). ---------- #include "quote.cute" Rusty Carruth UUCP:{uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!rusty DOMAIN: rusty@cadnetix.com Daisy/Cadnetix Corp. (303) 444-8075\ 5775 Flatiron Pkwy. \ Boulder, Co 80301 Radio: N7IKQ 'home': P.O.B. 461 \ Lafayette, CO 80026 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 5-Apr-89 02:10:19-MDT,3040;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 89 01:31:06 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #82 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 5 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 82 Today's Topics: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Apr 89 03:56:38 GMT From: xanth!rlb@g.ms.uky.edu (Robert Lee Bailey) Subject: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system In article <7316@cadnetix.COM> rusty@cadnetix.COM (Rusty) writes: > >Well, I just bought myself a nice hard disk controller for my S100 system. >Having looked over the CPM manual for a bit, it seems to me that I *should* >be able to accomplish the task of adding the controller and hard disk to >my system. > > >So, enough rambling, down to the question for the net: > >Has anyone else added a hard disk to a CP/M system which was not originally >configured for a hard disk? Can I do the trick that Kaypro did and boot >from either flops or hard? Any words of wisdom? (Other than "Don't do it!" :-) > I have a Xerox 820-1 single board CP/M computer. When I got it, it was not expandable to allow adding a hard disk. After checking around a bit, I found an inexpensive (for the time) 5MB hard disk ($99) and a SCSI HD controller (also $99). Now the Xerox 820 did not have a SCSI interface, so, I had to build my own adapter as well as write my own HD driver. The hardware adapter was not very sophisticated (i.e. not interrupt driven). I just wire wrapped an adapter that plugged into the Z-80 socket. This allowed me to 'tap' the I/O and data lines that I needed for the SCSI controller. I added some TTL logic to decode the address that I wanted to use for the controller and then began to write the software to access the SCSI port. I wrote the necessary routines and added them to my BIOS. I probably could have made it boot off of the HD, but, that would have required me to patch the ROM. Since I didn't have access to an EPROM burner, I elected to use a hybrid method. What I did was to modify the boot tracks of the floppy so that instead of loading CP/M (BDOS & BIOS) from the floppy, I loaded the HD driver. After the driver was in memory, I loaded CP/M from the hard drive (I SYSGENed a modified boot track onto the HD). I also faked out CP/M to make my HD (drive E:) my default drive. So, when I booted the system, it automatically came up logged into the HD. Using this method, only a few sectors were loaded from floppy, and then the rest of the booting occured from the HD. While this was not the optimum way to do it, for me it proved to be a viable way to get a HD up and running with minimal modifications to my existing hardware & software. Bob Bailey ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 6-Apr-89 02:07:26-MDT,7159;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 89 01:30:47 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #83 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 6 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 83 Today's Topics: Adventure games New processor rumour (5 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Apr 89 05:28:21 GMT From: morris@jade.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Morris) Subject: Adventure games In article <16220@oberon.USC.EDU> mlinar@eve.usc.edu writes: > >Remember the old Scott Adam's series of Adventure games. I had one or two >on an old machine called the Sorcerer, but that is a pain having only >a cassette drive to load 16k. At one time, I recall the whole series >being sold on a disk for CP/M. Does anyone even remember this or can >lead me to a place where I can get them? > >My daughter and I thank you. > >-Mitch I remember seeing an ad in a gaming magazine sold in the gaming store at the local mall - i.e. the place that sells Dungeons & Dragons stuff, Chess, etc. Also some of the _bigger_ newsstands might have it. Or go to the TRW swap meet, find an old copy of Byte, or Kilobaud, and just maybe scott adams hasn't moved (but that's a long shot). Scott is still writing games - you just have to look for the ads where they do the most good, and that means gaming magazines. US Snail: Mike Morris UUCP: Morris@Jade.JPL.NASA.gov P.O. Box 1130 Also: WA6ILQ Arcadia, Ca. 91006-1130 #Include disclaimer.standard | The opinions above probably do not even ------------------------------ Date: 4 Apr 89 16:54:29 GMT From: uw-entropy!quick!amc!sigma!bill@june.cs.washington.edu (William Swan) Subject: New processor rumour In article <240@ericom.ericsson.se> etxbrfa@kk32.ericsson.se (Bj|rn Fahller TT/MLG) writes: >I've heard some rumours that Zilog recently has released a NEW version of the >Z80 processor. The new version should (according to the rumours) have a largely >expanded instruction set, with multiplication, division, SIO routines, etc... > >Is this actually the case? I thought Z80 was out years ago. I just took a look at Zilog's January 1989 Z80 Family Data Book and saw: Z8400 (a.k.a Z80?): ("Advanced Information") At a quick glance this looks like a CMOS Z80, up to 10MHz. Nothing else jumps out as being different, other than packaging options. Z80180 (a.k.a Z180?): ("Product Specification") "Code compatible", with 8-bit multiply (16 bit result) and several other new instructions (test and block operations, mainly). Up to 10 MHz, on-chip MMU addressing 512k or 1Mbyte, two UARTS, two 16-bit timers, on-chip oscillator, etc. Z280: ("Preliminary Product Specification") 20 MHz CMOS pipelined Z80 superset with MMU addressing up to 16 Mbytes, 3 16-bit counter-timers, 4 DMA channels, full-duplex UART, on-chip 256-byte instruction and data associative cache, co- and multi-processor support, etc. No mention of multiply/divide... Interesting stuff (a 20 MHz Z80!!!), but working from Zilog's track record on the Z800 (I got a spec sheet in '81 - when was it that it actually came out?), I won't believe it until I actually see it... [Note: I set Followups: to comp.os.cpm only as I don't believe anyone else would be interested in a 20 MHz Z80! :-)] -- William Swan ..!grace.apl.washington.edu!sigma!bill Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years: Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002. In now: 0 years, 2 months, 2 weeks, 1 day. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 89 00:26:44 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!SnipeHunt@uunet.uu.net (Bruce H McIntosh) Subject: New processor rumour Check inside your fancy space-age washing machine and odds are you'll find a Z80 running the show. The same goes with things as diverse as VCRs, multiport serial port boards for PCs, traffic light controllers and a whole host of other stuff. I've seen several times in print the statement that the Z80 is still the single most widely used cpu out there. It's powerful, stable and dirt cheap; to a designer these are all very endearing qualities. :-) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 89 19:26:25 GMT From: att!ihlpl!knudsen@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Knudsen) Subject: New processor rumour I'll 2nd the notion that 8-bitters aren't dead yet -- maybe not even sick. The Motorola 6809, last & best of the 8-bitters, is still powering the OS9 multi-tasking, windowing OS in 100's of 1000 of Color Computers. It's an easy and fun chip to write assembler for (being orthogonal and having lots of PDP-11 style addressing modes on top of a 6502-type architecture for speed and simplicity) but also a very easy machine to compile C, Forth, and Pascal for. Lots of applications (data communications, word processing, MIDI music) deal in 8-bit bytes, so 16 or 32 bit architectures are overkill. -- Mike Knudsen Bell Labs(AT&T) att!ihlpl!knudsen Round and round the while() loop goes; "Whether it stops," Turing says, "no one knows!" ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 89 22:26:21 GMT From: tank!eecae!cps3xx!usenet@handies.ucar.edu (Usenet file owner) Subject: New processor rumour In article <2259@sigma.UUCP> bill@sigma.UUCP (William Swan) writes: >Z280: ("Preliminary Product Specification") > 20 MHz CMOS pipelined Z80 superset with MMU addressing up to 16 > Mbytes, 3 16-bit counter-timers, 4 DMA channels, full-duplex UART, > on-chip 256-byte instruction and data associative cache, co- and > multi-processor support, etc. No mention of multiply/divide... My copy of the preliminary BOOK for the Z280 shows all sorts of Multiply and divide instructions. Zilog decided to define a plethora of new data types for this processor, so for each type there exists a mult/ divide instruction. I agree, I won't believe it untill _I_ see it either! ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 89 01:46:05 GMT From: vsi1!daver!lynx!neal@apple.com (Neal Woodall) Subject: New processor rumour In article <2259@sigma.UUCP> bill@sigma.UUCP (William Swan) writes: >Z80180 (a.k.a Z180?): ("Product Specification") This is indeed the Z180...a.k.a. the Hitachi 68180. One of the interesting things about this processor is that it executes many of the instructions in fewer cycles than the Z80...so it gets a speed improvement 2 ways: faster clock and executes in fewer cycles. >Z280: ("Preliminary Product Specification") I first heard about this one when I was an undergrad! It has been in "pre-release" mode for about 6 years! The Z280 is the updated name for the Z800...I think that there are actually chips available, but the first ones have problems with the cache. Neal ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 7-Apr-89 02:01:52-MDT,2094;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Apr 89 01:30:13 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #84 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 7 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 84 Today's Topics: INFO-CPM Digest V89 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1989 09:39 EST From: Bruce Ide Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 Ok Guys... Who knows about the Vector 4 graphics? I need some info... 1) It looks like I have two processors, a Z80 and either an 8080 or an 8088-2, the documentation is unclear which. Can I run IBM stuff with this thing if it is an 8088-2, and what can the 8080 do if that's what I have? 2) Does anyone know which processor I have (8088-2 or 8080)? 3) Can I run a Samsung modem off the sieral port? I am trying with a male- male rs232 and it's acting funny. The modem will talk to the computer, but not vice versa. Also, I have a switch that switches pins two and three on the modem, and that doesn't help at all. The modem works fine on an IBM PC even with the hardware modification. 4) What is the latest version of CP/M I can run with this thing? I have 1.4 floating about somewhere, but it's Vector CPM 1.0 right now. Does putting 1.4 on my hard disk mean I have to reformat it under 1.4, or can I keep the format as I have it now? 5) Why do my RAM Boards (North star or nor star 16K) have DIP SWITCHES on them and what do these dip switches do? 6) There is no Number Six. 7) If you can tell me what pins on the Serial com port have high and low voltage outputs and all that neat stuff, I'll name my firstborn son or daughter after you... Thanks for your patience. I am new to CP/M and hardware hacking in general, so this is all rather difficult. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 8-Apr-89 02:08:25-MDT,6678;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 8 Apr 89 01:30:18 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #85 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 8 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 85 Today's Topics: About Vector 4 (Was: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V89) New processor rumour New Processor Rumours ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Apr 89 09:30:36 GMT From: mcvax!kth!draken!tut!hydra!hylka!jlaiho@uunet.uu.net (Trucker) Subject: About Vector 4 (Was: Re: INFO-CPM Digest V89) In article <8904061457.AA12565@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, xd2w@VM.CC.PURDUE.EDU (Bruce Ide) writes: > Ok Guys... Who knows about the Vector 4 graphics? I need some info... As a Vector user I got some info, let's see it now.. > > 1) It looks like I have two processors, a Z80 and either an 8080 or > an 8088-2, the documentation is unclear which. Can I run IBM stuff > with this thing if it is an 8088-2, and what can the 8080 do if that's > what I have? If you had MS-DOS for Vector, you would be able to run some real generic DOS-stuff on it. > > 2) Does anyone know which processor I have (8088-2 or 8080)? The processors are Z80B and 8088-2. > > 3) Can I run a Samsung modem off the sieral port? I am trying with a male- > male rs232 and it's acting funny. The modem will talk to the computer, but > not vice versa. Also, I have a switch that switches pins two and three on > the modem, and that doesn't help at all. The modem works fine on an IBM PC > even with the hardware modification. I do have a modem connected to Vector's serial port, and it works just fine. Try using just pins 2, 3 and 7 at the beginning. (data to both directions and ground) > > 4) What is the latest version of CP/M I can run with this thing? I have 1.4 > floating about somewhere, but it's Vector CPM 1.0 right now. Does putting > 1.4 on my hard disk mean I have to reformat it under 1.4, or can I keep > the format as I have it now? I think you now have Vector CP/M-86 V1.0, haven't you? CP/M-86 is an CP/M-implementation that runs on 8088 and 8086-processors. If you have CP/M-86 in your Vector you should also have a CP/M-80 emulator on your disks (RUN8.CMD). The emulator acts as CP/M-80 V2.2, as far as I know. > > 5) Why do my RAM Boards (North star or nor star 16K) have DIP SWITCHES on them > and what do these dip switches do? What? Your Vector has RAM expansions in the S-100-bus, not on a satellite board plugged over the motherboard? > > 6) There is no Number Six. Huh? > > 7) If you can tell me what pins on the Serial com port have high and low > voltage outputs and all that neat stuff, I'll name my firstborn son or > daughter after you... High and low voltage outputs? Er..? > > Thanks for your patience. I am new to CP/M and hardware hacking in general, > so this is all rather difficult. You're welcome. Juha Laiho jlaiho@cc.Helsinki.FI (The Internet) jlaiho@finuh.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 89 18:13:00 GMT From: tektronix!teklds!dadla!donk@uunet.uu.net (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) Subject: New processor rumour In article <2259@sigma.UUCP> bill@sigma.UUCP (William Swan) writes: > >Interesting stuff (a 20 MHz Z80!!!), but working from Zilog's track record >on the Z800 (I got a spec sheet in '81 - when was it that it actually came >out?), I won't believe it until I actually see it... > While it is true that the Z280 (a.k.a. Z800) had an especially long gestation, I just wanted the net to know that it most certainly is available now. I have been running CP/M on mine for over a year now. The on-board cashe definitely speeds up execution. The bus timing is much improved over the Z80. I have nothing bad to report. -Don Kirkpatrick (donk@dadla.LA.TEK.COM) UUCP: {ihnp4 | decvax | ucbvax}!tektronix!dadla!donk ARPA: donk%dadla.LA.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Apr 89 16:22:49 MEZ From: I2040401%DBSTU1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: New Processor Rumours The new Zilog Z280 processor is not a rumour! It is available in Germany for 59.61 DM (some 32 US$, without VAT, single unit price). The lastest revision is "J". It has no longer the cache problem that was known with revision "G". Some features have been mentioned on the net but there are still more highlights: - It is fully software compatible with the Z80. - It uses less memory cycles than the Z80, e.g. EX DE,HL EXX LD A,B all use only 2 cycles - It has new addressing modes: It has 16 bit displacements, e.g. LD A,(IX+1234H) It has a PC-relative addressing mode. It has a SP-relative addressing mode, e.g. LD (SP+1234H),5 It has a so called "base index" addressing mode, e.g. LD (HL+IX),6 LD (HL+IY),7 LD (IX+IY),8 You can also use 16 bit displacements with HL: LD A,(HL+5678H) - Some other highlights: You can use the lower and upper half of the IX and IY registers individually (just as with HL). They are called IXL, IXH, IYL and IYH, e.g. "LD A,IXH". (These were unofficial instructions with the Z80.) It has 16 bit arithmetic, e.g. ADDW HL,1234H 16 bit add CPW HL,BC 16 bit compare DECW (1234H) 16 bit decrement DIVW DEHL,1234H 16 bit divide DIVUW DEHL,BC 16 bit unsigned divide also signed and unsigned 16 bit multiply (there are also multiply and divide for 8 bits) NEG HL 16 bit twos complement SUBW HL,DE no longer OR A SBC HL,DE You can do CALL (HL) CALL cc,(HL) conditional call INW HL,(C) 16 bit I/O PUSH 1234H LD (1234H),5678H and several other instructions, e.g. to handle the on-chip peripherals. As far as I know the Z280 is the same chip as the one announced as Z800 some years ago. It is not the same as the Z180 (= Hitachi 64180) which has only a few new instructions. Ulf Gruene Technische Universitaet Braunschweig West Germany I2040401@DBSTU1.BITNET ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 9-Apr-89 01:47:41-MDT,6082;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 9 Apr 89 01:30:44 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #86 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 9 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 86 Today's Topics: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system Info: Z280 (was Re: New processor rumour) New processor rumour Z280 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Apr 89 21:17:33 GMT From: eve.usc.edu!mlinar@oberon.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system In article <7316@cadnetix.COM> rusty@cadnetix.COM (Rusty) writes: > >Well, I just bought myself a nice hard disk controller for my S100 system. >Having looked over the CPM manual for a bit, it seems to me that I *should* >be able to accomplish the task of adding the controller and hard disk to >my system. > >Has anyone else added a hard disk to a CP/M system which was not originally >configured for a hard disk? Can I do the trick that Kaypro did and boot >from either flops or hard? Any words of wisdom? (Other than "Don't do it!" :-) Quite a few of us have added bootable hard drives to our non-hard drive systems. There is only one way to do it: replace the ROM inside your machine so that it uses the hard disk controller for boot. Even better, is to have it look for a hard drive and, failing that, to look for a floppy. This is what the Kaypro 10 did and essentially all after-market upgrade ROMs for the Z80 machines (Xerox, Kaypro, Morrow, Osborne) do for you. Since your machine is an S100, you will probably have to "roll you own". Given that you have the source for the current boot ROM, enough room for the code, and an EPROM burner, you are most of the way there. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 7 Apr 89 23:23:29 GMT From: mcvax!unido!cosmo!fifi%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (A.F.Zinser) Subject: Info: Z280 (was Re: New processor rumour) In article <> beyer@frith.UUCP (Don W Beyer) writes: > I agree, I won't believe it untill _I_ see it either! The Z280 supports following types of multiplication/division: - MULT A,r - MULTU A,r - MULTW HL,rr - MULTUW HL,rr - DIV HL,r - DIVU HL,r - DIVW DEHL,rr - DIVUW DEHL,rr (DEHL => DE & HL taken as 32-bit-register) where rr is one of - BC, DE, HL, IX, IY, SP, nn, (nn), (IX+nn), (IY+nn), (PC+nn) (nn as a 2-byte-adress/offset) and r is one of - A, B, C, D, E, H, L, HX, LX, HY, LY, (HL), (nn), n, (HL+IX|IY), (IX+IY), (IX|IY+n), (IX|IY|HL|PC|SP+nn) (n as 1-byte-offset) These new adressing-modes are supported in most commands (ADC, ADD, AND (all type A,r), ADDW HL,rr, CP A,r, CPW HL,rr, DEC r|rr, DECW rr, EX A,r, IN r,(C), INC{W} (see above), LD r|rr,r|rr (including LD (nn),n, but not LD (nn),(nn)), LDW rr,rr (inc. LDW (nn),nn), OR A,r, OUT (C),r, PUSH/POP rr (inc. PUSH/POP (nn) and PUSH/POP nn), rotation- command in Z80-manner only, SBC/SUB A,r, SBC/SUBW HL,rr, XOR A,r) and few new commands are implemented: - DIV/MULT - EPUM/EPUF/EPUI (for multi-processor-systems) - MEPU (also mp-mode) - PCACHE (cache clear) - TSET r (test register contents and set flags) - TSTI (C) (test input) - LDCTL (for internal organisation/programming) Important are the extended adressing-modes of CALL & JP: - CALL cc,rr - JP cc,rr with cc as well-known from Z80 and rr on of following: - (HL), (PC+nn), nn (CALL & JP) - (IX), (IY) (JP only - like Z80) Some other facts of Z280 - seperate memory- and i/o-wait-states, can be modified by software - cache configurable as data- or instruction-cache (or both) - 16-bit-i/o-adress supported - single-step-mode - user/system - mode (system-SP, user-SP) But... the instruction-set may be a superset to that of the Z80, one opcode differs from Z80 : TSET has the same opcode as SLIA from Z80 (undocumented, but working). using this command, your software is able to distinguish between Z280 and Z80. axel f. zinser [source: Zilog Z280 MPU - Technical Manual, March 1987] (*) Z80, Z280 are registered trademarks of Zilog, Inc. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | _ _ ! ! Axel F. Zinser (_!_) (_!_) ...uunet!mcvax!unido!cosmo!fifi | | Hannover, BRD ! ! fifi@cosmo.UUCP ! ! ! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Apr 89 21:12:38 GMT From: eve.usc.edu!mlinar@oberon.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: New processor rumour In article <5407@lynx.UUCP> neal@lynx.UUCP (Neal Woodall) writes: ##Z280: ("Preliminary Product Specification") # #I first heard about this one when I was an undergrad! It has been in #"pre-release" mode for about 6 years! The Z280 is the updated name for #the Z800...I think that there are actually chips available, but the first #ones have problems with the cache. Yep! I have seen quite a few now. As a matter of fact, I believe Xerox was doing some internal projects with them a year or more ago. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Sat 08 Apr 1989 18:32 CDT From: Scott McBurney Subject: Z280 Question: How do you tell what revision Z280 you have? If I have an older revision, that could explain the trouble that I have had. Another question: How do you design a good clock source for a Z280? (I was never real good at that in class) Scott McBurney MSRS003 @ ECNCDC.BITNET ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 10-Apr-89 01:39:03-MDT,4926;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 89 01:30:24 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #87 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 10 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 87 Today's Topics: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system New processor rumour New Processor Rumours ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Apr 89 18:22:06 GMT From: xanth!nic.MR.NET!hal!ncoast!mikes@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Squires) Subject: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system In article <7316@cadnetix.COM> rusty@cadnetix.COM (Rusty) writes: > >Well, I just bought myself a nice hard disk controller for my S100 system. >Having looked over the CPM manual for a bit, it seems to me that I *should* >be able to accomplish the task of adding the controller and hard disk to >my system. The vendor of the HDC usually provided a BIOS in source that had to be added to the system BIOS to connect the drive. I would assume that it would be possible to boot off the HD, but none of the systems I every used did (S-100 systems with Advanced Digital, Morrow, and Jade HDC's). The AD HDC came with autoinstall software; the other two required revisions of the BIOS. One of the last books about CP/M to be published had a BIOS based on the JADE controller. I believe that old SIG/M and CP/MUG disks may also have BIOSes. Mike Squires Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 814 332 3347 uucp: ..!cwjcc!ncoast!{mikes,peng!sir-alan!mikes} or ..!{pitt,uunet}!sir-alan!mikes BITNET: mikes%sir-alan@pitt.UUCP (VAX) MIKES AT SIR-ALAN!PITT.UUCP (IBM) Internet: sir-alan!mikes@uunet.uu.net or mikes@NCoast.ORG ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 89 16:32:19 GMT From: mcvax!kth!draken!tut!pl@uunet.uu.net (Pertti Lehtinen) Subject: New processor rumour From article <1055@rpi.edu>, by night@pawl.rpi.edu (Trip Martin): > > Here's a brief rundown of the new architecture from what I remember: > > * 16 bit bus > * 16meg addressibility, although programs still only see the 64k > address range of the Z80. There are 16 page registers for mapping. > It can either be done by 8k pages with separate I&D mappings, or > 4k pages with no distinction between I&D. > * Supervisor and user modes > * Support for traps and exceptions, including stack overflow, page fault, > illegal instruction, etc. > * Builtin UART > * Hardware programmable wait-states (0-15) > This one really exists as Z280. In addition to those features mentioned above it has: * Z80 object code compatible (runs Z80 code) * builtin DMA (4-channel) * 16-bit or 8-bit bus ( Z-bus or Z80-bus ) * 10 MHz clock frequency ( future 25 MHz ) * Support for Coprocessors (FPA-instructions defined) Zilog has finally released bugfree version of this. (earlier for example DMA and interrupts didn't work) ( but who needs them, anyway :-) Pertti Lehtinen pl@tut.fi pl@tut.fi ! -------------------------------- ! Pertti Lehtinen ! Alone at the edge of the world ! Tampere University of Technology ! -------------------------------- ! Software Systems Laboratory ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 89 07:24:53 GMT From: mcvax!unido!cosmo!fifi%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (A.F.Zinser) Subject: New Processor Rumours In article <> I2040401@DBSTU1.BITNET (Ulf Gruene) writes: > - It is fully software compatible with the Z80. That's right, if you only use the official Z80-instruction-set, but who does. If you use the SLIA (shift left inverted arithmetic) as I do, you get into a conflict, because this instruction- sequence means TSET (Z280). And this difference is even mentioned by Zilog in it's own Z280 Technical Manual (see Appendix A)! > >Z800 some years ago. It is not the same as the Z180 (= HD64180) >which has only a few new instructions. Unfortunately the instruction-sets of Z180 and Z280 are so much different, that you can't use a Z180-assembler to create Z280- opcode... Does anybody on the net know about a Z280-assembler (or a pre-assembler to use an existing Z80-assembler)? +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | _ _ ! ! Axel F. Zinser (_!_) (_!_) ...uunet!mcvax!unido!cosmo!fifi | | Hannover, BRD ! ! fifi@cosmo.UUCP ! ! ! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 11-Apr-89 01:37:59-MDT,1584;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 89 01:30:07 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #88 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 11 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 88 Today's Topics: Help needed with modem sw for Kaypro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Apr 89 15:13:22 GMT From: hp-pcd!hplsla!hpubvwa!mechp17!johann@hplabs.hp.com (Fred Johannessen) Subject: Help needed with modem sw for Kaypro I need some help connecting an external modem to my RS-232C (J6) on my Kaypro 4. Actually it's not the connection, but accessing the port. I'm currently using SUPRTRM to drive my internaly modem which is connected to J4. I'm looking for 1 of 2 possibilities: 1) how do I patch SUPRTRM to address port J6 instead of J4 2) is there any software available that allows interactive changing of port addresses If the answer to 2 is yes, then where can I get the software, and for how much? ++Thanks, Fred Johannessen %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Frederik Johannessen | Microcomputer Electronics Corp voice: (206)821-2800 x308 | 12421 Willows Rd, NE uucp: ...!hpubvwa!mechp!johann | Kirkland WA, USA 98034 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 12-Apr-89 02:05:30-MDT,4121;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 89 01:30:47 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #89 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 12 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 89 Today's Topics: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system Help needed with modem sw for Kaypro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Apr 89 19:16:41 GMT From: vsi1!wyse!mips!prls!philabs!linus!alliant!merk!spdcc!ima!cfisun!lakart!uucp@apple.com (comp.os.cpm gateway) Subject: adding a hard disk to your floppy-only system rusty@cadnetix.com asks: > Has anyone else added a hard disk to a CP/M system which was not > originally configured for a hard disk? Can I do the trick that > Kaypro did and boot from either flops or hard? Any words of > wisdom? (Other than "Don't do it!" :-) I can only speak of my case with a Televideo TS803 from a semi-hypothe- tical point of view. The story - I have a TS803 (non hard disk version) and I added a mini-winnie hard disk to it. So in response to your first question I have added a hard disk to a floppy only system. To explain what is necessary: all you have to do is to make the BIOS know about the hard disk - add the necessary tables, and the code to read / write it, and you can run from the hard disk. That part is done, and works - i.e. I have a system with the original floppies, and a hard disk "grafted" on. As to booting it: I don't know how you work, but the boot process in the 803 goes like this: The boot rom reads drive A:, Track 0, Sector 0 into ram at a particular spot, then jumps to that code. So I can put any bootstrap loader I like into that 256 bytes of code - as it is, I just read the operating system from the remainder of track 0 and track 1, and jump to the cold boot entry point of the BIOS. Assuming you work like this, if you can read and write the hard disk OK, it can be done as a two step operation. Firstly write a boot sector loader that will be pulled from floppy by the boot rom, that loads CCP / BDOS / BIOS from the hard disk, and save that onto a floppy. Now when you boot that floppy, the boot sector (T 0 S 0) comes off the floppy, drops into ram, and is executed, but it goes to the hard disk to get the rest of the operating system. Next step is to write this same boot sector somewhere on the hard disk, and (here comes the hard part :-) ) modify the boot rom to read from the hard disk. I plan to go about doing this for my system in the above manner, and also plan to arrange that the rom looks first to see if a floppy is present: if so boot from it. If not it then looks at the hard disk to see if it can find anything there. So if I reset with a floppy in drive A: I'll boot from the floppy, otherwise I'll boot from the hard disk. -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!lakart!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@cfisun.cfi.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 89 17:17:39 GMT From: mcvax!kth!draken!tut!hydra!hylka!jlaiho@uunet.uu.net (Trucker) Subject: Help needed with modem sw for Kaypro In article <1320001@mechp17.UUCP>, johann@mechp17.UUCP (Fred Johannessen) writes: [ some text deleted ] > I'm looking for 1 of 2 possibilities: > > 1) how do I patch SUPRTRM to address port J6 instead of J4 I don't know, sorry. > 2) is there any software available that allows interactive > changing of port addresses I think MEX is what you're looking for. > If the answer to 2 is yes, then where can I get the software, and for > how much? At least old versions of MEX are PD, and they are available for anonymous FTP at least in simtel20. > ++Thanks, > Fred Johannessen You're welcome. Juha Laiho jlaiho@cc.Helsinki.FI (The Internet) jlaiho@finuh.bitnet ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 13-Apr-89 02:02:54-MDT,2030;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 89 01:31:01 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #90 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 13 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 90 Today's Topics: Does anyone have a DES for CP/M? Orphaned CPM boards software tools written in C. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Apr 89 22:50:06 GMT From: eichin@athena.mit.edu (Mark W. Eichin) Subject: Does anyone have a DES for CP/M? I'm looking for a version of DES that works under CP/M. I am particularly interested in either assembler code or small-c source, and particularly Public Domain/Free code (though I'm curious about other versions.) I'd also be interested in anything about the bandwidth of the code (is it usable for full stream incryption over a serial line or only for generating authentication information, for example.) As usual, email me and I'll summarize. Mark Eichin ------------------------------ Date: Wed 12 Apr 89 18:41:47-EDT From: Paul W. Sparks Subject: Orphaned CPM boards Does anyone have any info or know anything about what appears to be a Z80 based single board computer called MUSYS ?? I'd appreciate hearing from you if you are willing to help me a bit. Thanking you in advance, Paul Sparks ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 89 16:08 N From: Gratien D'haese Subject: software tools written in C. Does someone have the software tools written in C ? Also welcome would be the RATFOR preprocessor written in C. Thanks, Gratien D'haese e-mail: dhaese@banuia51.bitnet ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 14-Apr-89 02:16:14-MDT,2476;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Apr 89 01:30:26 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #91 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 14 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 91 Today's Topics: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #83 Kermit for a Osborn portable... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Apr 89 08:09 EDT From: "Gary Hutchison" Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #83 > > > William Swan ..!grace.apl.washington.edu!sigma!bill > > Interesting stuff (a 20 MHz Z80!!!), but working from Zilog's track record > on the Z800 (I got a spec sheet in '81 - when was it that it actually came > out?), I won't believe it until I actually see it... > > [Note: I set Followups: to comp.os.cpm only as I don't believe anyone else > would be interested in a 20 MHz Z80! :-)] > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 5 Apr 89 22:26:21 GMT > From: tank!eecae!cps3xx!usenet@handies.ucar.edu (Usenet file owner) > My copy of the preliminary BOOK for the Z280 shows all sorts of > Multiply and divide instructions. Zilog decided to define a plethora of > new data types for this processor, so for each type there exists a mult/ > divide instruction. > > I agree, I won't believe it untill _I_ see it either! > Zilog is shipping and companies are developing with the Z280. The Z280 has been available for about 8 months now and is quite a processor. Nice features for MPM. Gary Hutchison CACP/MUG ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 89 09:56:27 GMT From: mcvax!kth!draken!liuida!prodix!isadora!paix!pekka@uunet.uu.net (Pekka Akselin [The Mad Midnight Hacker]) Subject: Kermit for a Osborn portable... Anybody know where to find a kermit for a Osborn computer running CP/M (2.2?). I am posting this request for a friend, but reply to me! -- Pekka [The Mad Midnight Hacker Strikes Again] _______________________________________________________________________________ pekka@paix.ikp.liu.se ...!uunet!enea!liuida!prodix!paix!pekka Pekka Akselin, PA Mikroresurs, Sweden (The Land Of The Mad Midnight Hacker 8-) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 15-Apr-89 02:03:16-MDT,2546;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 15 Apr 89 01:30:47 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #92 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 15 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 92 Today's Topics: Osborn kermit ZMP for Apple CP/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Apr 89 09:29:22 EDT From: John C Klensin Subject: Osborn kermit At last, an easy question. Osborne I kermit is on the kermit distribution tapes, and available from all of the usual kermit distribution points. It comes as an overlay to the CP/M-80 kermit. You should be able to find it in Sweden, there is a kermit distribution server on at least one EARN machine, or you may be able to FTP it from either SIMTEL or WATSUN.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU if you really have an Internet connection. Send mail if you need more specific information. John Klensin, Klensin@INFOODS.MIT.EDU p.s.: If your friend has an Osborne internal modem on that machine (I don't know if those were sold in Europe), the kermit implementation is not designed to work with it. It can be tricked into doing so and I'll dig out the instructions if you need them. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 89 06:35:29 GMT From: amelia!pioneer.arc.nasa.gov!samlb@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Sam Bassett RCD) Subject: ZMP for Apple CP/M I have an ancient Apple ][ with a PCPI Applicard, and I need to get a version of Z-Modem running on it. I downloaded a copy of ZMP15.LBR from Simtel 20 (a Z-Modem implementation), but I find that getting it running requires more programming skills than I have, and an assembler that I don't have. Is there any kind soul out there who has got ZModem for Apple with Applicard/Starcard, that could provide me with a copy? I would gladly pay postage and media costs . . . I'll monitor this newsgroup for a while, or you can send email to the address below. adTHANKSvance Sam'l Bassett, Sterling Software @ NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field CA 94035 Work: (415) 694-4792; Home: (415) 454-7282 samlb%well@lll-crg.ARPA samlb@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov := 'Sterling doesn't _have_ opinions -- much less NASA!' ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 17-Apr-89 02:03:13-MDT,1743;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 89 01:30:20 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #93 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 17 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 93 Today's Topics: Correct mailing address for RCP/M Royal Oak QTERM help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1989 11:41 MDT From: Keith Petersen Subject: Correct mailing address for RCP/M Royal Oak I have received several messages from people whose letters to RCP/M Royal Oak have been returned by the Post Office. I'm sorry about the address problem. Here is the corrected info: RCP/M Royal Oak Support Fund c/o Detroit Download Central P.O. Box 36238 Detroit, MI 48236 We're sharing the P.O. box with another BBS to keep costs down. If support continues we will install a second phone line with a Detroit number which can be reached by PC Pursuit and Starlink. Thanks for your support! --Keith ------------------------------ Date: 16 Apr 89 01:08:47 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@uunet.uu.net (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: QTERM help Has anyone tried to patch QTERM (any version) for the Epson QX-10? My latest attempt was a big failure. At the sign on screen, system crashed. I got most of the QX specific info from ZMP overlay and some from IMP and MEX overlay. Any help will be appreciated ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 18-Apr-89 02:12:30-MDT,2099;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Apr 89 01:30:17 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #94 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 18 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 94 Today's Topics: is there life after dBASE II? PC Pursuit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Apr 89 20:38:41 GMT From: voder!pyramid!ncc!atha!auvax!tech@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Loken) Subject: is there life after dBASE II? I felt whimsical today and tried to upgrade my copy od dBASE II today and was told by the young lass at Ashton-Tate that they don't have nuthin' for CP/M atall. I tried begging and whining but it had no affect on her. I asked her if it was okay to pirate a copy and she told me to do whatever was best for me. (I am sure Mr. Tate would not agree. :-)) Is this true.....? If so: 1. Does it matter? 2. What is available for those who feel a sudden desire to use a database tool? 3. Should I start giving pirate copies of dBASE II to all my friends? :-) ********* 73 ********** Richard Loken VE6BSV . **** .. **** Athabasca University .... **** Athabasca, Alberta Canada ..........**** tech@athabascau.ca alberta!auvax!tech ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 89 09:29:32 EDT From: Rhonda Ragland Subject: PC Pursuit Please excuse my ignorance, but what is PC Pursuit and what is it's function? -- | Phone: 804-924-6265 | Rhonda Ragland | | Internet: rr2g@virginia.edu | University of Virginia | | Bitnet: rr2g@virginia.bitnet | Applied Mechanics Program | | UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!watt!rr2g | Charlottesville, VA 22903 | ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 19-Apr-89 02:13:00-MDT,3576;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 89 01:30:52 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #95 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 19 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 95 Today's Topics: Faster linker ? Vector 4 ZCPR 3.3 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Apr 89 10:28:50 GMT From: mcvax!hp4nl!eutrc3!wsinmr@uunet.uu.net (R. Mak) Subject: Faster linker ? A friend of mine uses his MSX (CP/M compatible) computer to program in C using ASCII C. This program generates a M80 ASM file, and compiles and links it through a batchfile. He complains that the linking takes so long that it is almost unworkable. Probably because it is written for 8080 computers, and is as generic as possible. Does anybody know of a faster linker preferably (but not neccesarily) with source code ??? I can request from simtel-20. Thanks in advance, Rob -- *** Fidelio Software *** ...!mcvax!eutrc3!wsinmr (probably...) *** The best in games *** ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 89 21:39:14 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!brian@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Brian N. Volkoff) Subject: Vector 4 Heeeeelp. I just picked up a Vector 4. It has a 5 meg harddrive, and one 600k floppy. The system came with the harddrive formated and the LINC version of CP/M running. No disks, except for two originals from some accounting program. Neither of them have system tracks so the only way I can boot the machine is off of the HD. The HD only has the accounting programs, the LAN utilities, and a couple of CP/M programs (NS, NULU, etc). I cannot format the floppy. When I try it gives me an "INCOMPLETE FORMAT" error. Besides, I don't have the SYSGEN (GENSYS) program for copying the tracks. Argh. Is there anyone out (I've seen people asking questions about the Vector :) there that I could get a system disk, plus all of the transient programs, from? I'd like a copy of the "standard" CP/M that came with this. Hopefully it will let me get the floppy going. Please respond to "sactoh0!cosumn!brian", not "sactoh0!brian". Thanks. -- ############################################################# # PRIVATE # SAC-UNIX, Sacramento, Ca. # # PARKING # UUCP=...pacbell!sactoh0 # ############################################################# ------------------------------ Date: 17 Apr 89 22:59:33 GMT From: astroatc!nicmad!madnix!rat@speedy.wisc.edu (David Douthitt) Subject: ZCPR 3.3 I just got ZCPR 3.3 installed on my Apple II+ with a PCPI Applicard. Works beautifully! However, I don't have any instructions for the unique abilities of ZCPR 3.3. I still have the articles on ZCPR 2 from the interview by Computer Langauge with Richard Conn. Does any one know where I can get an in-depth description of ZCPR 3's capabilities? Thanks! [david] -- !======= David Douthitt :::: Madison, WI =======!== The Stainless Steel Rat ==! ! ArpaNet: madnix!rat@cs.wisc.edu ! ! ! UseNet: ...uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!rat ! Mad Apple Forth: ! ! {decvax!att}! ! The Madness starts here. ! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 20-Apr-89 01:44:21-MDT,3433;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 89 01:30:46 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #96 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 20 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 96 Today's Topics: dBase II Info Request Shugart 450 Floppy Drive Morrow MD11 Shugart 901's ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Apr 89 22:09:59 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@uunet.uu.net (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: dBase II Well, you do have an old version of a great program (dont forget dBase is up to IV now), so, Ashton-Tate pretty much forgot about us... If YOUVE got no qualms about piriting (sp), go right ahead and do it... It cant hurt, since they just dont support the CP/M version anymore What monies have they got to lose if they arent getting any to begin with? I myself had my friend send me his latest copy (I cant read the disk cause its on Commodore 128 format and I now have an Epson QX-10). Version 2.45 (I think) If you like to goto computer shows, look around hard, cause you can always find a vendor willing to 'unload' such obsolete software for a price Now if the vendor still supports the CP/M version software (MicroPros WordStar 4, example), thats a different story... I paid $89.99 hard earned dollars for that! ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 89 17:32:01 GMT From: pixar!matt@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Matthew Martin) Subject: Info Request Shugart 450 Floppy Drive I am in need of a copy of the service manual for the Shugart model 450 floppy drive. If you have the same, please email me and we can work out the details. Many thanks. P.S. If William Swan is out there, Ron Alspaugh says hello. Matt Martin ....ucbvax!pixar!matt ------------------------------ Date: 18 Apr 89 18:16:24 GMT From: asuvax!sssphx!rl@noao.edu (Rod Longhofer) Subject: Morrow MD11 I have a morrow md11 cpm system if someone would like to trade or buy it send mail. This includes the md70 terminal and system and software with manuals. -- Rod Longhofer rl@sssphx.UUCP,..!asuvax!sssphx!rl work 602-961-1317 "It worked when i used it." ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 89 22:36:32 GMT From: paravia@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Mark David Kakatsch) Subject: Shugart 901's What is the difference between a Shugart 801 and a 901? I recently purchased a 901 for $10, and I'd like to use it as a second drive w/ my other 801... Thanks much. Mark +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Things are not what |Albert Einstien got his name after he got smashed + + they appear to be... |after drinking one stien of beer. Hence; Albert + +________________________|EinStien.___________________________________________+ + Ack! Ack! Ack! Ack! Ack! |Mark D. Kakatsch --> paravia@csd4.milw.wisc.edu + + Pfhtph! Pfhtpph! Pfhtpf! | uwmcsd1!uwmcsd4!paravia + +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 21-Apr-89 02:26:30-MDT,2986;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 89 01:30:27 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #97 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 21 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 97 Today's Topics: Help needed with modem sw for Kaypro Need boot floppy for SD SYSTEMS controller. Simtel20 archives & C128 CP/M two questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Apr 89 04:29:24 GMT From: xanth!nic.MR.NET!hal!ncoast!mikes@g.ms.uky.edu (Mike Squires) Subject: Help needed with modem sw for Kaypro In article <1320001@mechp17.UUCP> johann@mechp17.UUCP (Fred Johannessen) writes: > > 2) is there any software available that allows interactive > changing of port addresses > I have used MEX v1.14 on a Kaypro; the program itself is binary only but the driver for a specific system is in assembler and can be patched. All of the various MEX drivers, etc., were available from SIG/M and from various CP/M BBS systems. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 89 16:18:09 GMT From: att!occrsh!uokmax!mcmiller@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Michael C Miller) Subject: Need boot floppy for SD SYSTEMS controller. Well the Northstar controller has finally crashed and burned. I have found a 'working' Versafloppy SSSD controller. I need docs and a boot disk , if some one still has a copy of these I would cover your costs to send them. Also, is this company still around? Anybody have the address? Thanks in advance.. sans ------------------------------ Date: THU 20 APR 1989 11:39:00 CST From: Me Subject: Simtel20 archives & C128 CP/M Hello, I think that I will soon be able to get files from the SIMTEL20 CP/M archives, as soon as I get my new modem. However, I need some suggestions as to what some good programs are. I have a Commodore 128 with CP/M. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Are there any terminal programs for the C128 CP/M that emulate a VT-100 and have Kermit file transfer? Atdhvaannkcse. ------------------------------- Brian Piersel BITNET: S1CH@SDSUMUS INTERNET: S1CH@SDSUMUS.BITNET "If winning is not important, why keep score?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 89 21:26:55 MDT From: Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AD 678-1536 Subject: two questions 1. Has anyone used CPMOR3.0 (for CP/M+). I downloaded it from Simtel, and can't get it to work. I load in CP, and it just locks up. 2. I recently heard a rumor that Micropro is working on a new CP/M Wordstar (beyond 4.0). Wonder if anyone has any info about that, either way? ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 22-Apr-89 02:37:35-MDT,1438;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 89 01:30:26 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #98 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 22 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 98 Today's Topics: CP/M WordStar? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: FRI 21 APR 1989 11:23:00 CST From: Me Subject: CP/M WordStar? William Thomas D. writes... (Stuff deleted...) >Now if the vendor still supports the CP/M version software (MicroPros >WordStar 4, example), thats a different story... I paid $89.99 hard >earned dollars for that! Is version 4 the latest version of WordStar for CP/M, or have they put version 5 on CP/M? I've used Version 5 on IBMs, and I really like it. Does anyone know how the MS-DOS and CP/M versions compare (performance, features, etc.)? BTW, William, your friend with the 128 should be able to write to a disk formatted on your system, assuming he has a 1571 drive.... ------------------------------- Brian Piersel BITNET: S1CH@SDSUMUS INTERNET: S1CH@SDSUMUS.BITNET "It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether I win or lose." ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 23-Apr-89 02:17:39-MDT,1321;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 89 01:30:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #99 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 23 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 99 Today's Topics: CPM 2.2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Apr 89 21:40:21 GMT From: paravia@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Mark David Kakatsch) Subject: CPM 2.2 Hello. I recently got my S-100 system running with CPM 1.4. However, I'd like to get it working with CPM 2.2. I have the BIOS and BOOT for it, but I don't know how to install it. There is no program analogous to MOVCPM, which was used to install CPM 1.4. I was told that there was another method to installing it, but that person didn't remeber what it was. The reason I'd like to do this is that you need it to run most software on SIMTEL20...By the way, I have an Ithaca Audio Z80 CPU with a Tarbell SSSD controller running on 2 Shugart 801's. Any and all help is appreciated... Mark ;---------------------------- paravia@csd4.milw.wisc.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 24-Apr-89 02:13:03-MDT,2685;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Apr 89 01:30:27 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #100 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 24 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 100 Today's Topics: KERMIT and my Computer VT100 for the Osborne 1 Wanted: vi, uucp for CP/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Apr 89 20:18-0400 From: David.Slonosky%QueensU.CA@QUCDN.QueensU.CA Subject: KERMIT and my Computer Hello, CP/M gurus. I want to get an implementation of KERMIT for my computer, and would like to know what technical specifics I have to supply so as to get a fully working copy. All I know is that my computer uses version 2.2. I also have the unfortunate problem of only having 8" drives, so ordering a copy from Columbia seems out of the question. More specifics are available, since I have all the relevant technical documentation for my computer. Thanks. __________________________________ | | David Slonosky/QueensU/CA,"",CA | Know thyself? | SLONOSKY@QUCDN | If I knew myself, I'd run away. | |__________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 89 23:37 PDT From: Steven Russell Subject: VT100 for the Osborne 1 Do any of you fine people know of a program that will allow the Osborne 1 to emulate a VT100 terminal? I find that it is some- thing that I need, and I'm not even sure if it is possible. Thanks to all. -Steven Russell srussell@uoneuro.uoregon.edu srussell@uoneuro.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 89 01:23:18 GMT From: ulysses!nsscb!ameyer@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andy Meyer) Subject: Wanted: vi, uucp for CP/M I'm looking for a version of vi which runs under CP/M. Also, if such a thing exists, I'd like a standalone mailer which would allow me to use my CP/M system to send and receive mail (while my "main" system is being repaired). Thanks much. Andy ==-- Andreas Meyer N2FYE -====--- AT&T National Systems Support Center --==---- uucp: ..!rutgers!sunybcs!nsscb!ameyer ---- or: nsscb!ameyer@sunybcs.cs.buffalo.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 25-Apr-89 02:21:49-MDT,2735;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 25 Apr 89 01:30:30 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #101 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 25 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 101 Today's Topics: CPM 2.2 is there life after dBASE II? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Apr 89 22:35:03 GMT From: uw-entropy!quick!happym!amc!sigma!bill@june.cs.washington.edu (William Swan) Subject: CPM 2.2 In article <2191@csd4.milw.wisc.edu> paravia@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Mark David Kakatsch) writes: >Hello. I recently got my S-100 system running with CPM 1.4. However, I'd like >to get it working with CPM 2.2. I have the BIOS and BOOT for it, but I don't >know how to install it. [...] [Egads, I didn't think 1.4 even existed anymore... :-)] What exactly do you have for 2.2? Just a 2.2 BIOS and BOOT? You'll still need a copy of the CCP & BDOS (which can be produced by MOVCPM). This is spelled out in the 2.2 installation manual. You might consider using P2DOS (or one of the other BDOS replacements) and ZCPR3 instead - both, I think, available from SIMTEL20. With those at least you'll have the source code! -- William Swan ..uunet.uu.net!amc!sigma!bill Send USmail address for info: Innocent but in prison in Washington State for 13.5 years: Ms. Debbie Runyan: incarcerated 01/1989, scheduled release 07/2002. In now: 0 years, 3 months, 0 weeks, 4 days. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 89 19:30:45 GMT From: oliveb!pyramid!prls!philabs!linus!nixbur!nixpbe!ugun21!josef@ames.arc.nasa.gov Subject: is there life after dBASE II? Richard Loken (tech@auvax.UUCP) writes: > 3. Should I start giving pirate copies of dBASE II to all my friends? :-) I wonder, might I be elegible to be called "your friend"? Josef Moellers paper mail: e-mail: c/o Nixdorf Computer AG USA: uunet!linus!nixbur!mollers.pad Abt. EG-3 !USA: mcvax!unido!nixpbe!mollers.pad Unterer Frankfurter Weg Phone: D-4790 Paderborn (+49) 5251 104691 +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. | | Can You give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out | | death in judgement" | | Gandalf to Frodo in "The Fellowship of the Ring"| +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 26-Apr-89 02:01:53-MDT,2867;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 26 Apr 89 01:30:26 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #102 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 26 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 102 Today's Topics: INFO-CPM Digest V89 Kermit and CP/M-80 computers Spelling checker routines ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1989 08:47 EST From: Grey Fox Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 1.4... Yeah.... I got a Vector 4 with a sick modem port. Can I run later versions of CP/M? I doubt it somehow. CM/M doesn't seem to even be considered an OS around here anymore. I am learning a lot about modems and RS232s though. I might even become a hardware hacker yet! Is CP/M still going anywhere or is it a dead end? I really wanna know. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 89 20:41:59 EDT From: John C Klensin Subject: Kermit and CP/M-80 computers What you will need is: MLOAD (if you don't already have it) The HEX file for base kermit-80 An overlay file for your machine, or the 'generic' one. The latter uses the BIOS, is proportionately slow, and requires IOBYTE support. If "your machine" is not one for which an overlay has been specifically created, then you will probably need to poke through the sources of the existing files to find something similar and, if necessary, modify it. These files are available from SIMTEL by FTP (the last I checked) from KERMSRV@CUVMA (and a few other places) on BITNET, and so forth. You will need at least some minimal way of downloading a HEX file to your machine to get started--it can be done using PIP if you can get the files onto some slightly more equipped machine and run a wire between the two. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 89 10:15:00 CDT From: Brian Piersel Subject: Spelling checker routines I'm considering writing a spelling checker for myself, but I am wondering about one thing. Checking to see if a word is spelled correctly (based on the dictionary) seems fairly simple, but I also would like to have it suggest correct spellings for misspelled words. Does anyone know of a good way to do that? I don't need the actual code, just the basic steps to follow (pseudo-code, that kind of stuff...). Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Brian Piersel BITNET: S1CH@SDSUMUS INTERNET: S1CH@SDSUMUS.BITNET "If winning is not important, why keep score?" ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 27-Apr-89 02:02:08-MDT,4950;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 27 Apr 89 01:30:21 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #103 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 27 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 103 Today's Topics: CP/M Status HD on Insight 128-I? VT100 for the Osborne 1 Z280 chip ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue 26 Apr 1989 10:17:33 EDT From: Subject: CP/M Status Grey Fox commented, "CP/M doesn't seem to even be considered an OS around here anymore" and asked, "Is CP/M still going anywhere or is it a dead end? I really wanna know." I just came back from the Trenton Computer Festival and was amazed at the level of CP/M (Z-System) interest there. Last year they gave us no publicity, and many people who were interested in our session did not know it was taking place or could not find out where it was. This year the publicity was good, and we had a room full of very interested people. Next year we plan to do even more and to demand some recognition from the organizers, who otherwise recognized little more than MS-DOS (even the MAC got short shrift). There is not much going on in CP/M proper, but Z-System, its modern minicomputer-calibre replacement, is extremely active. If Grey, or anyone else, is interested in learning more, I would suggest that they subscribe to The Computer Journal and pick up the last year's back issues. I published the information about TCJ not too long ago in a message here, but if there is popular demand, I will repeat it. Grey will probably face some difficult problems trying to do anything with the Vector computer (I'm assuming this is the VectorGraphic). As I recall, it uses the only disk format that our experts at the BCS CP/M Group were unable to crack. We had a member who used a VectorGraphic machine, and I might be able to secure a CP/M-2.2 boot diskette from him. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 89 18:41:04 GMT From: jato!hbe@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Harris Boldt Edelman) Subject: HD on Insight 128-I? A friend without net access seeks to put a Seagate ST-225 hard disk onto his Insight 128-I z80a-based single board computer (running CP/M 2.2, Insight's CBIOS v.05I, currently configured for 8" floppies). He is looking for first-hand (or close second-hand) accounts of what was done by someone who has successfully integrated a hard disk with an Insight. His interest encompasses both hardware and software requirements that the integration will entail. Please resist the urge to offer assistance of a speculative nature; we're looking for a "live" example. Many thanks! -Harris. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 89 15:51:57 GMT From: calvin!glenn@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu (Glenn Berg) Subject: VT100 for the Osborne 1 I just got my hands on a Xerox CP/M computer which I would like to use extensively as a terminal. I've tried it out, assuming that it emulates a VT52 (which I'm not sure about), and everything works fine until I try to run vi or emacs on the remote machine. It doesn't seem to handle full-screen editing. Does anyone have a clue as to what the problem might be? Better yet, can this thing do VT100 or H19 emulation? Any advice you can give this novice would be greatly appreciated. _________________________________________________________________________ Glenn A. Berg Space Plasma Physics UUCP: {rochester,ihnp4!cmcl2}!cornell!calvin!glenn 5143 Upson Hall INET: glenn@calvin.ee.cornell.edu Cornell University SPAN: STAR::"glenn@calvin.ee.cornell.edu" Ithaca, NY 14853 ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 89 01:59:47 GMT From: oliveb!intelca!mipos3!cadev4!dbraun@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Doug Braun ~) Subject: Z280 chip Since Zilog has finally come out with a bug-free version of the Z280 microprocessor, I am planning to resume work on my Z280 board. However, the only distributor I can find that has the correct revision of the chip (Western Microtechnology) has a $100 minimum order. (The chip is $35). Does anyone know of a place that sells unit quantities of this chip without a lot of hassle? Otherwise, is there anybody who has been wanting to buy one of these that would be interested in combining orders with me? Any other ideas on how to get hold of one of these chips would also be appreciated. Doug Braun Intel Corp CAD 408 765-4279 / decwrl \ | hplabs | -| oliveb |- !intelca!mipos3!cadev4!dbraun | amd | \ qantel / ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 28-Apr-89 02:00:35-MDT,7636;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Apr 89 01:30:15 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #104 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 28 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 104 Today's Topics: BDS-C V1.6 Binary File Transfer into an Epson Geneva PX-8 (2 msgs) Kermit and CP/M-80 computers Spelling checker routines ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Apr 89 13:52:05 GMT From: ima!cfisun!lakart!dg@decvax.dec.com (David Goodenough) Subject: BDS-C V1.6 I recently got a copy of BDS-C V1.6 for my CP/M machine, and thought I'd pass on my opinions of the system. In general I am very pleased with the package, a lot of the library "inconsistancies" from earlier versions have been fixed (fopen for one, and the way printf("%s", "") works). For those that have not used it it takes a couple of goes to get used to the absence of static variables, but other than that, it is a very good implementation. For speed of compilation it is blindingly fast. There was a review in Byte a while ago benchmarking various CP/M C compilers, and BDS-C was consistantly (read every time) the fastest, typically compiling in half the time required by the others. Included with the system is full source code for _ALL_ the libraries, so you can hack what you don't like - for example I find the 5/C:FILENAME.EXT system for user numbers a real irritant, so after a bit of messing I was able to change the system to recognise C5:FILE format. The libraries include not only the standard ones, but there is a floating point math library, long integers math library, DIO (directed I/O - provides redirection / pipes just like UNIX) etc. etc. etc. and code to expand wildcards in the command line (so PROGRAM B:*.C will get an argv / argc that you'd expect - with all the filenames in it). In addition, there is a Z-system version (all comes in the same package - it's four disks all up: DSDD, so if you've got a Kaypro 2 or an Osborne1, you are in for a real surprise), that supports named directories, and a whole raft of other Z-features. However, the real cat's whiskers is CDB. Apart from the fact that it doesn't show the source code from within the debugger, I found it about as good as DBX / CDB under UNIX. You have statement level execution control - it even understands that: a = 5; b = strlen(fudge); is two statements, and will execute them as separate steps. You have named access to your local and global variables, and useable expression evaluation. _AND_ for those that really want to see the source from within the debugger (I sure as hell would like it :-) ) the source _OF_ CDB is provided, so you can hack it. Of course, it makes a sizeable dent in your TPA, using typically 20-25K, but for debugging C programs it's a whole lot more civilised than ZSID. You also get RED, a text editor which can be set up to "eat" an error file produced by the compiler, and show you what you did wrong in the compilation. This is a fair text editor, and again source is provided. From what I saw of it, it's quality stands up beside CDB and the compiler package in general, my main reason for not using it is it's size (something like 40K) and my familiarity with my current editor. However from a reviewers perspective, I would say RED is a well written editor, and due to it's configurability can be adjusted to suit anyone's tastes. All in all I would rate this as a very good compiler indeed, well worth the money. -- I have no connection with BD Software, who wrote the BDS-C system; nor with Sage Microsystems East, from whom I purchased it. I just think it's a damn good package. -- dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ....... !harvard!xait!lakart!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 89 09:30:09 PDT From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard C. Secrist) Subject: Binary File Transfer into an Epson Geneva PX-8 My friend bought a Geneva and wants to get some CP/M-80 software into it. It speaks an Epson file transfer protocol called FILINK that is not documented in the Geneva doc, which I suppose to be similar to XMODEM. The unit came with no BASIC ROM, so I don't have an assembler or HLL to boot up some sort of XMODEM -- I either need to speak FILINK or get a micro cassette for him with XMODEM or KERMIT on it. I believe there was something in the Simtel archives which spoke FILINK, but I'm without FTP access, so a pointer to it elsewhere would be appreciated. rcs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 89 09:30:09 PDT From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard C. Secrist) Subject: Binary File Transfer into an Epson Geneva PX-8 My friend bought a Geneva and wants to get some CP/M-80 software into it. It speaks an Epson file transfer protocol called FILINK that is not documented in the Geneva doc, which I suppose to be similar to XMODEM. The unit came with no BASIC ROM, so I don't have an assembler or HLL to boot up some sort of XMODEM -- I either need to speak FILINK or get a micro cassette for him with XMODEM or KERMIT on it. I believe there was something in the Simtel archives which spoke FILINK, but I'm without FTP access, so a pointer to it elsewhere would be appreciated. rcs ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 89 22:56:49 GMT From: amelia!pioneer.arc.nasa.gov!samlb@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Sam Bassett RCD) Subject: Kermit and CP/M-80 computers Does anyone have a Kermit overlay file for an Apple ][+ and PCPI Applicard talking to a Mountain Computer Serial Card (6850-based)? And if so, would you be willing to share it with a non-assembler?? Sam'l Bassett, Sterling Software @ NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field CA 94035 Work: (415) 694-4792; Home: (415) 454-7282 samlb%well@lll-crg.ARPA samlb@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov := 'Sterling doesn't _have_ opinions -- much less NASA!' ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 89 00:37:23 GMT From: tektronix!orca!tekecs!frip!andrew@uunet.uu.net (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Spelling checker routines [] "Checking to see if a word is spelled correctly (based on the dictionary) seems fairly simple, but I also would like to have it suggest correct spellings for misspelled words. Does anyone know of a good way to do that?" The approach used in the spelling corrector component of the Unica(tm) utility set was to look through a (separate) dictionary of commonly misspelled words, which includes the correct spelling: mispell:misspell seperate:separate etc. Any hit is an unconditional misspelling, and the utility suggests the replacement word to the user. When other processing finds a misspelled word (a word isn't in the dictionary, it asks the user if it's right, the user says no), then it asks for a replacement and adds an entry to the misspelled-word dictionary. After a few weeks, the user's commonly misspelled words are pretty much all in there. -=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!orca!frip!andrew) [UUCP] (andrew%frip.wv.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA] ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 29-Apr-89 02:13:12-MDT,2994;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 29 Apr 89 01:30:43 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #105 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 29 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 105 Today's Topics: VT100 for the Osborne 1 (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Apr 89 01:41:51 GMT From: usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: VT100 for the Osborne 1 In article <1046@calvin.EE.CORNELL.EDU> glenn@calvin.ee.cornell.edu.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) writes: >I just got my hands on a Xerox CP/M computer which I would like to use >extensively as a terminal. I've tried it out, assuming that it >emulates a VT52 (which I'm not sure about), and everything works fine A Xerox CP/M system inherently looks like either an ADM-3A (for -I) or *almost* an ADM-31 for the -II. >until I try to run vi or emacs on the remote machine. It doesn't seem >to handle full-screen editing. Does anyone have a clue as to what the >problem might be? Better yet, can this thing do VT100 or H19 emulation? > Better yet, fix your UN*X termcap for the following Xerox and Kaypro entries: # # Termcaps for Xerox 820p, 820-II, and Kaypro 10 (or any 84+ Kaypro) # # Mitchell Mlinar # xx|xrx820p|820p|xerox 820p:\ :do=^J:al=\EE:am:le=^H:bs:ce=^X:cm=\E=%+ %+ :\ :cl=^Z:cd=^Q:co#80:dc=\EW:dl=\ER:ic=\EQ:ho=^^:\ :li#24:nd=^L:se=\Ex:so=\Ex:up=^K: x2|xrx822|822|xerox 820-II:\ :is=\E7:do=^J:al=\EE:am:le=^H:bs:ce=^X:cm=\E=%+ %+ :\ :cl=^Z:cd=^Q:co#80:dc=\EW:dl=\ER:ic=\EQ:ho=^^:\ :li#24:nd=^L:se=\E(:so=\E):up=^K: xk|kay10|k10|kaypro 10:\ :do=^J:al=\EE:am:le=^H:bs:ce=^X:cm=\E=%+ %+ :\ :cl=^Z:cd=^W:co#80:dc=\EW:dl=\ER:ic=\EQ:ho=^^:\ :li#24:nd=^L:se=\EC0:so=\EB0:up=^K:us=\EB3:ue=\EC3: ---- I faked out the standout/standend modes in the -I since I think that blinking characters suck. Emacs wants them regardless. Oh, and the 820p is for UPGRADED ROM only since the generic 820-I does not support insert line/delete line. There are several places that sell Xerox upgrade ROMs. Hope this helps! -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 89 14:04:00 GMT From: pitt!darth!insight!bhh@cadre.dsl.pittsburgh.edu (Brian Hughes) Subject: VT100 for the Osborne 1 > Do any of you fine people know of a program that will > allow the > Osborne 1 to emulate a VT100 terminal? I find that it > is some- > thing that I need, and I'm not even sure if it is > possible. > Thanks to all. > -Steven Russell I believe the Osborne support anything beyond 2400 baud without some serious internal work. Of course, I could be wrong, it's been awhile since I've played with my Ozzie... ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 30-Apr-89 02:05:13-MDT,1241;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 30 Apr 89 01:30:25 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #106 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 30 Apr 89 Volume 89 : Issue 106 Today's Topics: Terminal Program Needed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Apr 89 20:00:06 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ejnihill@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Eric J. Nihill) Subject: Terminal Program Needed I am trying to find a terminal program to use on a Televideo-1603, a CPM-86 machine. I would like to use the 1603 for something more than a bookend. Please respond via E-Mail (..pacbell!sactoh0!ejnihill), for I do not normally get this group. Since the 86 machine has no software, I will mail a blank disk to you. Thank-you for your help; Eric -- When in trouble, worry or doubt, sactoh0!ejnihill run in circles, scream and shout. Flick (Fletch?) Lives ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ******************************