4-Oct-90 04:30:08-MDT,12778;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 90 04:15:23 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #150 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901004041524.V90N150@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 4 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 150 Today's Topics: Batteries for the LOBO MAX-80 ??? (2 msgs) CPM Companion FREE CP/M machine How "hard" is CR-LF MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? MIX 'C' Compiler (CP/M) SIMTEL20 duties resume Sydex update. . . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 01 Oct 90 14:05:14 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Batteries for the LOBO MAX-80 ??? Does anybody know the model/type specification for the clock/calendar batteries used in the LOBO MAX-80? Even better, any address where to buy them? Please answer to phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il that has two ZEROES in ``phr00jg''. Thanks - Jacques ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 90 00:04:21 GMT From: sci34hub!cdthq!gary@uunet.uu.net (Gary Heston) Subject: Batteries for the LOBO MAX-80 ??? Message-ID: PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET ("Jacques J. Goldberg") writes: > Does anybody know the model/type specification for the clock/calendar > batteries used in the LOBO MAX-80? > Even better, any address where to buy them? According to the Hardware Reference Manual, it's a 3.2V 70 mah battery, with wire leads. Best bet would be to pull the old one and go to a yuppie shop that sells cordless phone battery packs. Gary Heston, at home.... ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 90 12:59:17 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu Subject: CPM Companion Message-ID: <15484.270b3226@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <1990Sep26.091021.14560@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > In article <9009191229.aa09295@crdec8.apgea.army.mil> mdgoodma@CRDEC8.APGEA.ARMY.MIL (Mack Goodman) writes: >>Could someone send me a brief description of what this device >>is, and could it be useful for me. I have a Northstar Advantage. >>This device is called " CPM Companion 2.2 " It is a black box >>with a couple of ports on it and a "edge" connector? >> >>Private replys may be most appropriate, Thanks in advance. Not this one. . > > now, back to the discussion.... > > if you are knowledgable about cp/m and assembly language, you can do > one of two things... either configure cp/m for the companion, or rewrite > the bios routines in the advantage to allow the use of soft sectored > disks. and, if you can find a bios listing for a kaypro or other good > cp/m machine, you could hack that until it works. this is basically > how products like uniform work, they replace those sections of the bios > with code similar to the machine it's trying to emulate the disk format. > > for the advantage, if it uses a 179x controller chip (like most decent > cp/m machines do) then all you would need are the addresses of the controller > ports. get a bios listing for sometthing like a kaypro, and just change > the addresses in the bios to point to the right place. do this in ram > with ddt and sysgen it onto a disk, and you would have yourself a boot disk > for any floppy you want. > > for the companion, you would do something similar, except you would have > to find the ports addresses, and since you don't have any docs, that can > be somewhat difficult. what i would do is open the machine, and look > at the circuit board traces to see what address the controller chip > is located, and go from there. > If you want such software, look in SIMTEL's Kaypro section for the tinkerkit. As I recall, the video routines, line drawing and other stuff is in there. I believe the "U" ROM listing is there, or something. Contact me if you want to follow up. > > where are you located at?? you might be able to find a cp/m machine > cheap, and you wouldn't even need to do some serious hacking to get it > working, either. unless it is something you like do, which is why > i go through this sort of torture. (one man's pleasure, another man's > pain...) :-( :-) > > i don't suppose a month goes by where someone offers their cp/m machine > to me for the price of hauling it away. if you look, you can find some > real bargains out there... > > Absolutely! ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 90 00:06:33 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@apple.com (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: FREE CP/M machine Message-ID: <34472@cup.portal.com> Ive posted this message to the net a coupla times before, and have gotten screwed twice on it, so here we go again... I have a FREE CP/M machine, with one condition: whoever wants it must pick it up at my house in northern NJ. This is due to the size of it (not just the machine, but the printer, books, monitor, keyboard, etc). Physcial dimensions are appros: 4' high, 2' square (19" rack??), weighs about 75lbs, on wheels. This is a prototype machine that was built in the late 1970s. From the cabinet and other indications, this was for use in industrial environments. 2MHz 8080 processor, 48k RAM (I think), two 8" SSSD Shugart SA801 floppy drives. And a front panel that would put the old IMSAI to shame. The back of the machine has a myriad of ports, for your standard stuff like printers, etc; and some for more esoteric things like card punch/reader. I have ALL the books and manuals anyone ever wants. I have the CP/M 2.2 users guide, software product manuals. And all the engineering notes, diagrams and blueprints devolped when the machine was being built (BTW: the machine was never commercially marketed, only about 5 machines were developed. This machine is the engineers personal machine) I also have many spare boards for it, such as processor, memory, and disk controllers, and more. Also includes a 300bps character printer, but it doesnt quite work. It doesnt LF, and I have no inclination to try to fix it. The buss is a propriatory buss, not an S-100 buss, but as stated above, ALL docs are included. I will not and can not ship this, for various reasons (size weight, etc) If anyone is interested, give me a voice call, and I will give you directions to my house in NJ. The machine works just fine as is, but Ive neither the time nor the inclination to work on it. I also need the room. Ive recently gotten a VAX 730, and need room for that and tape drives. If in two weeks, I get no inquiries, the machine will be scrapped. One week for net delay, and one week more for low-priority mail sites. I dont want to scrap it, thats why I am -giving- it away free, but, I will if no one wants it. This is a machine for serious computer antique collectors or for someone who just wants to hack around. (contrary to popular belief, there WERE computers before the IBM PC) Billy D'Augustine billy@westmark.WESTMARK.COM (201)989-8161 (if you feel inclined to mail me, ignore the distribution address of this, and mail to billy@westmark.WESTMARK.COM) ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 90 18:01:41 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!orca.wv.tek.com!pogo!rickc@uunet.uu.net (Rick Clements) Subject: How "hard" is CR-LF Message-ID: <9891@pogo.WV.TEK.COM> In article <1990Sep23.092141.1446@actrix.co.nz> ewen@actrix.co.nz (Ewen McNeill) writes: >In article <4584@crash.cts.com> mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: >> Why don't you just scan for the CR? If you find one, then look >> at the next character. If it's a LF, then throw it away. If it's >> not, you've got a weird file. >IMHO, the best idea is to scan for a LF. If you find a CR, then >ignore it. This means that you can read in text files that were >produced on Unix/Amiga/whatever which only have LFs, directly. The only problem is some system use only CR. (The Macintosh is the one I use most often.) I mentioned to someone else that I like PostScript's mothod the best. It takes CR, LF or CR LF as a single new line character. All three are seen by the program as a single new line. On output new line is converted to CR LF. This works reasonably well on all systems. (There may be extra characters on some systems but no files come in as a single line.) -- Rick Clements (RickC@pogo.WV.TEK.COM) ------------------------------ Date: 1 Oct 90 18:59:36 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: <15466.27079219@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <1990Sep24.235858.13077@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > In article <15428.26f4f146@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes: >>Help: >> >>I bought a uC MAXRom for my 84 Kaypro. Now I am trying to connect a Quad > > if you already have a 1.2 meg drive, see if you can trade it either for > a real dsqd drive, or for a 720k 3.5 inch drive. I did, and am very happy with the two FD55 quads I now have; they were only 50$ each so I got two for the price of one! Also, they are very, very quiet!! Thx for the reply. . . BTW I did get the info on the 1.2M drives, yes they can run at 300Hz and 360Hz spindle speed and yes all those user straps do something. So if anybody wants to know exactly what can be set on one of these, get in touch! Ronn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 01:12:40 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: MIX 'C' Compiler (CP/M) Message-ID: <9010010512.AA25298@cwns9.INS.CWRU.Edu> A reader of one of my messages about the MIX 'C' compiler (for CP/M), which is a full K & R implementation of the 'C' programming language, has reminded me that I failed to mention the system requiremments for the compiler to work properly. They are the following: CP/M-80 (2.0 or higher) 55K Memory 2 disk drives or a hard disk Z80 CPU I have MIX 'C' (CP/M version) for sale. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Take care. ###  -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ (213) 759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 1990 22:15 MDT From: Keith Petersen Subject: SIMTEL20 duties resume Message-ID: The funding for my task at SIMTEL20 has been renewed effective today, October 1. It is not known at this time if funding will be for a partial or a full year. It's good to be back. Thanks to everyone who sent email when my task was terminated last May due to budget cutbacks. Your words of encouragement were appreciated. If you have files to upload to SIMTEL20 please contact me for instructions. This is your archive - we need your help to keep it up to date. Keith - - - Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.mil BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1 Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 90 13:32:27 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu Subject: Sydex update. . . Message-ID: <15485.270b39ec@levels.sait.edu.au> Hello all: A few weeks ago I recall someone going on about Sydex and their 22Disk stuff. Well I just ran into a thing I got in the mail that says they are moving. (Have moved during early Sept.) Their new address is: Sydex; POB 5700; Eugene, OR 97405 USA (503) 683-6033 V (503) 683-1622 F (503) 683-1385 BBS Nothing over 50$ from these guys, so check it out. Ronn ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #150 ************************************* 6-Oct-90 07:24:38-MDT,9949;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 6 Oct 90 07:15:10 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #151 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901006071511.V90N151@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 6 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 151 Today's Topics: 1.2 Meg drive info 1581 disk drive & CPM cp/m operating system CPM Companion Help Beehive DM83 IMSAI VDP80 Boot Disk MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? (3 msgs) SCSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Oct 90 08:34 CDT From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: 1.2 Meg drive info Message-ID: <245AA13FEA3F20115B@ucs.uwplatt.edu> Greetings, In response to: >Date: 1 Oct 90 18:59:36 GMT >From: munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net >Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? >Message-ID: <15466.27079219@levels.sait.edu.au> >I did, and am very happy with the two FD55 quads I now have; they were only 50$ >each so I got two for the price of one! Also, they are very, very quiet!! >Thx for the reply. . . > BTW I did get the info on the 1.2M drives, yes they can run at 300Hz and 360Hz >spindle speed and yes all those user straps do something. So if anybody wants >to know exactly what can be set on one of these, get in touch! >Ronn I would appreciate a copy of the info on the 1.2Meg drives. Thanks. Lance Tagliapietra taglance@uwplatt.edu ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 90 23:56:22 GMT From: att!cbnewsd!veach@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (michael.t.veach) Subject: 1581 disk drive & CPM Message-ID: <1990Oct2.235622.27084@cbnewsd.att.com> I recently sent into CBM for $19.95 3.0 CPM upgrade and got a 1581 bootable CPM disk!. A 1581 dive plus a 1750 REU as disk M: makes a nice system. (Also a 1541 drive for reading in GCR formatted disks, ARGH!!) At boot time, via PROFILE.SUB, I set the date, turn off the 40 column screen, set the RS232 baud rate to 300 and set feel to 0 (see latest issue of Twin Cities 128 for details), set my search path to "M:,A:", set M: for temporary files and set the default drive to M:. Since the REU keeps files even over a boot, I don't copy any files to the REU via the PROFILE.SUB. I do have a few script files that I can call up manually to copy files from the 1581 to the REU. I was able to salvage several programs off my old (8 inch) 2.2 CPM system before it finally died. They all seem to work better than ever (likey do to the REU acting as a large and fast disk). I notice that several public domain vendors do offer 128 formated CPM software. Has anybody tried any of this? I see such things as C, modula, and RATFOR compilers as well as full screen editors offered in 128 CPM format. Michael T. Veach ihlpm!veach -- Michael T. Veach ihlpm!veach ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 90 11:57:29 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!mirror!pallio!dg@ucsd.edu (David Goodenough) Subject: cp/m operating system Message-ID: Someone asked: > A friend of mine was given an Osborne one cpu. The only problem is that > they did not give her the cp/m system disks. I replied, and it bounced. The information is sufficiently useful that everyone might want it anyway, so here it is. Try contacting FOG (the First Osborne Group). They should be able to get your friend going. Their address is: FOG P. O. BOX 3474, Daly City, CA 94015-0474 (415) 755-2000 -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 90 16:50:14 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: CPM Companion Message-ID: <1990Oct5.165014.18520@techbook.com> In article <176@pdxgate.UUCP> gleb@eecs.UUCP (Glenn LeBrasseur) writes: > >Don't forget that the old sugart 400's that came with the N* only have A >35 tracks, as opposed to 40. >Also the WD1771 only supports single density (and single side). It will of >course handle an 8in floppy such as sugart 800 for a wopping 256KB. > actually, the shurgart 400 drives will do forty tracks. it's a function of software -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right... Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 90 14:56:06 GMT From: mintaka!ogicse!milton!bperigo@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Bob Perigo) Subject: Help Beehive DM83 Message-ID: <8642@milton.u.washington.edu> Have you ever used a Beehive DM83 terminal? Judging by the lit LEDs on my 232 checker it may not be compatible with normal modems and puters. Please 'r'eply if you can help me get it out of local mode or know someone with docs. -- INTERNET,BITNET: bperigo@u.washington.edu / _ Bob Perigo babble on BABEL @ 206-363-8969 300-9600 baud /_)/_) UW Box SM-28 VOICE Bob at 206-367-4433 8am-8pm Seattle time / Seattle, WA UUCP Path: ...uw-beaver!u.washington.edu!bperigo 98195 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 90 16:08:51 CST From: Rob Caton Subject: IMSAI VDP80 Boot Disk I have the opportunity to purchase an IMSAI VDP80. However, the seller doesn't have any disks for it. Before I make a decision, I'd like to find out if anyone here knows where I can get a copy of the boot disk. Thanks! Rob Caton Information Systems Washington University C08926RC@WUVMD ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 90 07:05:34 PDT (Thursday) From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: <901004-070650-1920@Xerox> Ronn, I am replying this way, since your address is too long for my mail tool. Sorry to the rest of you, whome I'm sure are not interested in this message > BTW I did get the info on the 1.2M drives, yes they can run at 300Hz and 360Hz > spindle speed and yes all those user straps do something. So if anybody wants > to know exactly what can be set on one of these, get in touch! Whoa hey, looks like you might have some information I am looking for. I am trying to hook up two 1.2M high density drives to a Xerox 820-II, and make them look like 8" disks. I am very interested in knowing about those jumpers!!!! ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.com) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Oct 90 16:59:21 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: <1990Oct5.165921.18783@techbook.com> In article <36369@cc.usu.edu> SLSW2@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) writes: >In article <1990Sep24.235858.13077@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >> >> Well, in theory you could use a 1.2 meg drive as a 750k drive, but it would >> be a waste of money to do so. > >Not if you happen to have a bunch of 1.2 meg drives hanging about... :-) do you have a couple 1.2 meg drives sitting about?? i'd be glad to trade you a dsqd drive (brand new tandon tm101-4, still in shipping carton) for one, since i really need another one. > >> problems with going the 1.2 meg drive route.... the tracks these drives >> write are substantially narrower than even the dsqd drive tracks, to say >> nothing of the dsdd tracks. also, the write current is also greater. > >Not true. 80 tracks is 80 tracks, right? They get the extra capacity by >running at 500 KHz data rate instead of 250 KHz used by dsqd. nope. they do write a narrower track. remember, these drives use a higher write current than the dsqd drives, and need media with a higher coercivity. (magnetic hardness) the data would run into ajacent tracks if the tracks were the same width as the dsqd drives. the number of tracks and the spacing of the tracks is the same as the dsqd drives. what is getting to be a popular alternative use for these drives is to use them on systems that used double density 8 inch drives. the drive electronics are virtually the same as that found on the 8 inch counterparts. of course, you need to build a cable adapter. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right... Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Oct 90 05:47:11 GMT From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: Sprague.WBST311@XEROX.COM writes: << extraneous stuff deleted >> > Whoa hey, looks like you might have some information I am looking for. I > am trying to hook up two 1.2M high density drives to a Xerox 820-II, and > make them look like 8" disks. I am very interested in knowing about those > jumpers!!!! Me too! I would like to replace my 8's on my Dynabyte box. Better yet, put high density 3 1/2" if they behave the same as HD 5 1/4" drives. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Oct 90 11:31:02 GMT From: swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!walt.cc.utexas.edu!spam@ucsd.edu (Charles E. Watson) Subject: SCSI Message-ID: <37898@ut-emx.uucp> Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know where one could be found? ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #151 ************************************* 9-Oct-90 19:28:50-MDT,11419;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 90 19:15:13 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #152 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901009191513.V90N152@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 9 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 152 Today's Topics: 3.5inch HD disk formats: Why not 11*1024 CP/M Guru Irv Hoff is ill.. CPM Companion MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Personal to Ian Justman SCSI (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 20:26 HST From: Ralph Becker-Szendy Subject: 3.5inch HD disk formats: Why not 11*1024 Dear ol-time OS brethren, A while ago there was a long discussion in this space about what the maximum usefull capacity of a 3.5" disk in HD mode should be. I remember Dave Goodenough claiming that he runs his with 10*1024+1*512 byte sectors per track, which Tilmann Reh found disgustingly incompatible, therefore Tilmann uses 10*1024 and frowns on Dave. Anyhow, we were just re-writing the formatting routines of my disk controller. We came across something very strange. We claim that 11*1024 is legal ! Here's how the numbers work out: A 3.5" HD drive is equivalent to a 8" DD drive (500kHz data rate MFM), except that it spins at 300rpm instead of 360rpm. Lets express that as saying that a 3.5" drive spins at 5rps. Therefore a track contains 500kHz / 5rps = 100000 bits = 12500 bytes, whereas a 8" track contains 10416 bytes. By the way, the data sheet for a Toshiba ND3561 drive and for Mitsubishi 3.5" drives agree on 12500 bytes per track, whereas the data sheets for 5.25" HD drives (which spin at 360rpm like 8" drives when running in HD mode) say 10416 bytes, just as they should. Now the overhead on each track. It consists of track header: - Gap 4a: 80 bytes (content 4E) - Sync: 12 bytes (content 00) - Index mark: 4 bytes (3xC2, FC) - Gap 1 50 bytes (content 4E) then for each sector: - Sync: 12 bytes (content 00) - ID adress mark: 4 bytes (3xA1, FE) - Sector ID: 4 bytes (Cyl, Head, Sect, Len) - Sector ID CRC: 2 bytes - Gap 2: 22 bytes (content 4E) - Sync 12 bytes (content 00) - Data mark: 4 bytes (3xA1, FB) - Data: 1024 bytes - Data CRC: 2 bytes - Gap 3 n bytes (content 4E) and after all sectors: - Gap 4a: m bytes (content 4E). This layout of a track was obtained from the data sheet of the WD 37C65 controller (which agrees with the 176x and 179x controller family, and we assume also with the 2797 actually used in our controller board, but we don't have a data sheet for it, since WD doesn't want to send me one), and agrees with the ones listed in several different drive data sheets. Therefore, each sector occupies 1086 bytes (1024 net plus 62 bytes overhead), and there is an additional track overhead of 146 bytes. Now, we still have to calculate the lengths of Gap 3 and 4a, called n and m so far. Gap 4a has to be at least 16 bytes, but most formats seem to use at least 120 bytes, so we stick to just setting its minimum length at 120 bytes. Now just take the total track length (12500), subtract track overhead (-146), subtract the minimum length of Gap 4a (-120), and subtract the space required for data sector (-11*1086). That yields 12500-146-120-11*1086 = 288. Now take these 288 bytes which are left, and distribute them evenly over the 11 Gap 3s, making each 26 bytes long. In the 176x data sheets a length of 24 bytes for gap 3 is recommended, so we are safely within specs. Then the rest of the track (11x26 is a little less than 288 due to rounding) is filled by letting Gap 4a get as long as it wants (therefore in our case Gap 4a will be at least 120 bytes, usually a little longer). By the way, according to the 176x data sheet the limit of 24 bytes for gap 3 (as indeed all gap lengths we used above) are already increased above the functional limit to account for motor speed variation, PLL lock up time, write splice area etc. Supposedly one can cut all gap lengths in half (most gaps can theoretically be as short as 2 bytes) and it would still work. So we seem to be far on the safe side. Conclusion: 11x1024 is a legal format, and actually leaves a little bit more safety margin than recommended in the controller data sheet. So, why does nobody use it? And therefore, why should we be the first ones to find that out? Thanx for enlightenment, and don't start a religious war over this one. Ralph Becker-Szendy and Christoph Tietz (visiting) University of Hawaii RALPH@UHHEPG.PHYS.HAWAII.EDU High Energy Physics Group RALPH@UHHEPG.BITNET Watanabe Hall #203, 2505 Correa Road, Honolulu, HI 96822 (808)956-2931 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 90 03:28:10 -0400 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: CP/M Guru Irv Hoff is ill.. Message-ID: <9010080728.AA19735@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> The following message was captured on the Drexel Hill Northstar RCP/M. I'm reposting here because many of the long time CP/Mers will want to make that call, I'm sure. Irv Hoff did lots for the CP/M community, among his most noted achievements is IMP245. Ed Grey, Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M ************************** Area: General Msg. # 2534 To: All Posted: 10/08/90 Read: 2 From: Nick Trim 02:31:34 Replies: 0 | | Subject: Irv Hoff R)ead, N)ext, P)revious, E)xit? Read Everyone who knows CPM guru Irv Hoff will be saddened to hear that he is suffering ffrom liver cancer. He states that he "hopes to make it to mid-October". Friends and well-wishers can drop in on him at his BBS 415-948-2513. (CAPAL via PC-Pursuit). Do it soon. -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ (213) 759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 90 04:28:20 GMT From: sci34hub!cdthq!gary@uunet.uu.net (Gary Heston) Subject: CPM Companion Message-ID: fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > In article <176@pdxgate.UUCP> gleb@eecs.UUCP (Glenn LeBrasseur) writes: > >Don't forget that the old sugart 400's that came with the N* only have > A > >35 tracks, as opposed to 40. > actually, the shurgart 400 drives will do forty tracks. it's a function > of software No, it's hardware. You have to move the stop on the head guide bars (or wherever the stop is mounted--I didn't bother on the one I have) in order to get the extra 5 tracks. I verified that by testing (I have one early model SA400). Gary Heston, at home.... ------------------------------ Date: 9 Oct 90 11:57:43 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: <15502.2711bb38@levels.sait.edu.au> In article , ** Sender Unknown ** writes: > Sprague.WBST311@XEROX.COM writes: > > << extraneous stuff deleted >> > >> Whoa hey, looks like you might have some information I am looking for. I >> am trying to hook up two 1.2M high density drives to a Xerox 820-II, and >> make them look like 8" disks. I am very interested in knowing about those >> jumpers!!!! > > Me too! I would like to replace my 8's on my Dynabyte box. > Better yet, put high density 3 1/2" if they behave the same as HD > 5 1/4" drives. Peoples, leave me yer addresses if you want this info. Send them via Email or otherwise if you have not that service. Okee dokee? See ya Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 90 23:44:37 GMT From: crash!mwilson%crash.cts.com@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Personal to Ian Justman Message-ID: <4863@crash.cts.com> Sorry to all about wasting net bandwidth, but: Ian, will you please send back to me a valid path to your site? I've gotten four bounces back now. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 7 Oct 90 22:52:40 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: SCSI Message-ID: <4862@crash.cts.com> In article <37898@ut-emx.uucp> spam@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Charles E. Watson) writes: >Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know >where one could be found? There seems to be some confusion here... the WD1002-05 is NOT a SCSI device. It needs a parallel port. Presumably this is going into a Kaypro? You may have better luck with a 1002-HD0. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Oct 90 11:51:51 GMT From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu Subject: SCSI Message-ID: <15501.2711b9d8@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <4862@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: > In article <37898@ut-emx.uucp> spam@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Charles E. Watson) writes: >>Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know >>where one could be found? > > There seems to be some confusion here... the WD1002-05 is NOT a > SCSI device. It needs a parallel port. > > Presumably this is going into a Kaypro? You may have better luck > with a 1002-HD0. > I thought a wd1002-05 was a SASI interface!? I'll see wots in my Kaypro tonite to resolve this one definitively. . . I'm in line for two more 2-84's for 200$A and will likely need two more of these interfaces as well. Anyways, keep on your debates. . . Ronn ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #152 ************************************* 10-Oct-90 10:21:56-MDT,9489;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 90 10:15:49 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #153 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901010101550.V90N153@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 10 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 153 Today's Topics: converting 8 inch to 3.5 inch First Osborne Group Address Needed FOR SALE: OSBORNE 001 MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? (2 msgs) Need help for orphan Attache' cpm system. SCSI ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Oct 90 11:48:40 GMT From: sung@mcnc.org (Wayne Sung) Subject: converting 8 inch to 3.5 inch Message-ID: <7185@alvin.mcnc.org> There have been some discussions in this group recently about using HD floppies to replace 8 inch drives. I tried this using a 3.5 inch HD drive and here are some early results. Hardware: In general there are no hardware difficulties. If you looked at the pinouts of an 8 inch drive and a 5.25 inch drive you will find that many of the pins line up one for one. I happened to have an adapter board that converted between the two size ports so I did not have to make a cable. The drive that I got has an adapter to go from the 34 pins to a 34 card edge but either would have been ok. Two signal lines had to be accounted for. The 8 inch drive has a drive ready line which the smaller drives do not. In my case this line is sensed by the bios but the easiest way out is simply to keep it grounded. There is also a signal out of the 8 inch drive indicating that a two-sided disk is inside. Since there are no single sided HD disks, this line could also be grounded if I was to replace all my 8 inch drives. In mixing single side 8 inch and double side HD, it's trickier because the line is used during format sense. I presently have a jumper which has to be removed for single side disks. One interesting sidelight: the last set of 8 inch drives I had been using cannot step at 3 ms rates. These 3.5 units can, and are actually much quieter stepping at 3 ms than at 6 msec. Software: The formatters that I have don't exactly behave right. For one thing, they are set up for 77 tracks which wastes some 50-60k of space. They also don't seem to be able to format up to the highest sizes (presently 1.2M on the 8 inch system). I suspect the track layout has to be redone, since with the much smaller circumference there is less room for pad bytes and the 8 inch format has a lot of pad bytes. I did not have any difficulty reading the 1.44M size that had been formatted on another machine. Of course the DPB will also have to be adjusted to account for the extra tracks when I get to use them. If anyone would like more info let me know. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 90 13:16:53 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!ria!uwovax!les@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: First Osborne Group Address Needed Message-ID: <7355.2712e705@uwovax.uwo.ca> Could someone please send me the correct name and address of the First Osborne Group? (out of California?) Thanks in advance, --- Les Flodrowski CA: les@vaxi.sscl.uwo.CA Social Science Computing Laboratory Bitnet: les@uwovax.BITNET University of Western Ontario UUCP: les@julian.UUCP London, Ontario, Canada, N6A 5C2 (...!watmath!julian..) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 90 13:17:35 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!ria!uwovax!les@ucsd.edu Subject: FOR SALE: OSBORNE 001 Message-ID: <7356.2712e72f@uwovax.uwo.ca> I have the following miscellaneous items for sale. The following prices are in Canadian Dollars - make the appropriate adjustment for U.S. dollars (about a 15% discount). Prices DO NOT include shipping. MAKE AN OFFER! 1. IRWIN 20MB EXTERNAL tape backup with controller for IBM PC/XT/AT, software, manual and 2 NEW DC2000 tape cartridges.................$299 + $20/tape 2. ATI Graphics Solution Card with software/manual - never used.......$79 3. Archive tape backup - controller only..............................$?? 4. 5 1/4" 360K floppy drives (3 half height, 1 IBM full height).......$50/each 5. OSBORNE 01 portable computer (CP/M) in perfect working condition, has Double Density and Screen Pak, includes external 12" monitor, documentation and assorted software...............................$129 6. Digital LA34 desktop terminal/printer, wide carraige, serial port, documentation, excellent condition...........................$75 7. IBM PC 256K motherboard with newer BIOS (10/xx/82) - no RAM .......$60 --- Les Flodrowski CA: les@vaxi.sscl.uwo.CA Social Science Computing Laboratory Bitnet: les@uwovax.BITNET University of Western Ontario UUCP: les@julian.UUCP London, Ontario, Canada, N6A 5C2 (...!watmath!julian..) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 90 05:05:07 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: <1990Oct10.050507.452@simasd.uucp> In view of the obviously broad interest, please post it to the net! Thanks. - don UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 90 08:18:36 PDT (Wednesday) From: Sprague.WBST311@Xerox.COM Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: <901010-081951-1249@Xerox> > Peoples, leave me yer addresses if you want this info. Chuckle, yeah! That makes sense. :-) Like I said before, Ronn's address is to long for my mail tool. Sorry to the rest of you. Mike Sprague 1613 Waterford Rd. Walworth, NY 14568 ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Oct 90 15:43:16 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!pdxgate!eecs.cs.pdx.edu!grigore@ucsd.edu (Jack Grigorieff) Subject: Need help for orphan Attache' cpm system. Message-ID: <279@pdxgate.UUCP> A friend of mine picked up a Atrona Attache' CPM machine at a garage sale. There is no system disk or any documentation. Can anyone suggest a source for documentation, schematics, system software, diagnostics, applications etc? Please email to grigore@eecs.cs.pdx.edu or call to Dave after 6:00 pm pst at (503) 233 4706. Thanx ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 90 07:03:50 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: SCSI Message-ID: <4903@crash.cts.com> In article <15501.2711b9d8@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes: >In article <4862@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: >> In article <37898@ut-emx.uucp> spam@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Charles E. Watson) writes: >>>Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know >>>where one could be found? >> >> There seems to be some confusion here... the WD1002-05 is NOT a >> SCSI device. It needs a parallel port. >> >> Presumably this is going into a Kaypro? You may have better luck >> with a 1002-HD0. >> > >I thought a wd1002-05 was a SASI interface!? I'll see wots in my Kaypro >tonite to resolve this one definitively. . . I'm in line for two more >2-84's for 200$A and will likely need two more of these interfaces as well. This won't tell you anything... the K-10 doesn't use a SASI interface, it uses a parallel bus. By now you have found that your Kaypro has one of three boards in it: 1) 1002-HD0 This was the most common board used. Your 1.9E ( the 81-302 ) ROM and the U-ROM are set up for this one. 2) 1001-01 ( not sure about the suffix ) Early K-10's have 1001's in them. 3) 1002-05 A weird beastie... has a floppy controller where the HD0 has an empty socket. The 1002-05 and the HD0 are the same functionally except for the floppy bus. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #153 ************************************* 12-Oct-90 17:22:20-MDT,12261;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 90 17:15:20 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #154 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901012171521.V90N154@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 12 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 154 Today's Topics: DISK EXPANSION MODULE MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? (2 msgs) Need info for an S-100 bus system (3 msgs) Offline reader? SCSI Xerox CPM 80/86 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 1990 09:41:50 PDT From: Jacques_A_Plumart.Wbst845@xerox.com Subject: DISK EXPANSION MODULE Message-ID: <"11-Oct-90 12:41:50 EDT".*.Jacques_A_Plumart.Wbst845@Xerox.com> I am currently looking for a DEM for a Xerox 16/8 PC. Does anyone out there have such an animal and is willing to part with it? ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 90 05:52:44 GMT From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes: > Peoples, leave me yer addresses if you want this info. Send them via Email > or otherwise if you have not that service. Okee dokee? See ya Is my "from" line showing this time? I messed with my configuration file for Waffle and it must have messed up my header. It should be kosher this time. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 90 13:55:51 GMT From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu Subject: MAXRom and TEAC FD55 drive 1.2M?? Message-ID: <15520.2715cb67@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <1990Oct10.050507.452@simasd.uucp>, donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: > In view of the obviously broad interest, please post it to the net! Thanks. > - don > > UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm > ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil > INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com The problem is it is Hard Copy! It's got alot of timing diagrams and related graphics material. Fine print as well, so I'll just give a quick strapping review here now: TEAC FD-55GFR default strapping: D1, DC, FG Adjustable: D0-D3, Addressing U0-U1, LED indicator control (Use with IU; In Use signal) ML Spindle motor On/Off control (Off state: MOTOR ON * disk On State : [MOTOR ON + LED] * disk) IU Will expect IN USE signal on pin 4 of 34 pin interface if jumpered. RY/DC Selects function of pin 34 signal from drive: either READY or DISK CHANGE Operation mode straps: LG On state is pin 2 LOW = High density Off state is pin2 LOW = Normal density (Pin 2 signal is HIGH/NORMAL DENSITY) E2 Selects output condition of INDEX and READ DATA pulses. (Complex waveforms) I & IS I On state: dual speed mode 300/360 RPM (Controlled by pin 2) I & IS both Off state: 360 RPM always I & IS both On: Dual speed with maintenance of READY signal during High/Normal change. Sorry I skipped over U strapping a bit as well as E2, but you get the idea I hope! This would have gotten me going when I had a 55GFR. . . Happy strapping!!! 8-) Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 90 20:15:15 GMT From: dino!news.iastate.edu!hobbes.cc.iastate.edu!spam@uunet.uu.net (Begley Michael L) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct11.201515.22306@news.iastate.edu> Hi...Yesterday I bought an S-100 bus system that the University was selling off. It works, but I have absolutely no software or information on it. The case has no manufactures' name on it, but inside are 4 boards: 1: the CPU board. MFD by Jade computer systems. (C) 1979 Compu/time there's a Z-80 CPU, support hardware, a ROM (boot ROM perhaps), and a USART for hooking to a serial terminal. 2: The floppy controller. 8800 Interface Board by ICOM. Is this just a floppy controller or is it a SASI controller? there's a 2x25 pin male connector. 3: Vandenburg Data Products 16K Static Memory Board (rev B) This has 4 banks of 8 NEC M79729-738 memory chips. 4: Finally, one unlabeled board. I'm almost certain that this is a memory board. There are 16 x4 mitsubishi M5L2114LP chips on it but I didn't have a source book to make certain these were memory chips. Connected to the 8800 Interface board are the floppy drives. These are 2 pertec 8" floppies Model # FD511 in a case made by ICOM Microperipherals. That's about all I know right now about the hardware. I hooked a terminal up to the USART port on the CPU and flipped it on and got on the screen Z-80 MONITOR ? and just about any command or random string of 2 characters gives me an INVALID COMMAND SYNTAX error. The one command that did something different was RT which returned (* damn! I can't remember what it returned, but it was different *). Otherwise the machine just sits there... The floppies seem to work, except that I haven't done more than turn them on. All right, after all that, tell me, what the heck have I got? (* no flames *) Can anybody out there help me with this beast? I'd like to really do some serious playing with this machine, but I've got no manuals, no boot disk, no OS, and no clue... Also, I'd like to expand this thing, too. does anyone out there have any S-100 equipment they're not using and would like to donate to a worthy cause (me)? I'm looking for anything; a Cromemco Dazzler would be neat, or perhaps a better CPU board (6809? 68000?), or maybe even an OS (CP/M? MINIX? UNIX?) If you have anything you think I may be interested in getting or even paying a small amount for (and you'd be amazed at what I can be interested in) send me mail... Thanks a pile, -mike begley spam@iastate.edu ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 90 00:08:49 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!dali.cs.montana.edu!rpi!clarkson!news@ucsd.edu (Mike deMare (Anomoly Daemon),222 Hamlin,,2684041) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-). You can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system. One nice thing about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it so you ought to do okay. I would recommend aquiring the following items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up): 8080 cross-assembler Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some user groups have it available in machine readable form). Interestingly enough I happen to have a Z80 S-100 system running CP/M right here (part of my collection of anachronistic computers, I hardly ever use it, it sits next to an 8088 system which is next to an 80286 system, which is the most modern thing I own, and only because the University issued it to me when I enrolled). Do not even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is pretty near impossible. Mike Crime does not pay ... as well as politics. -- A. E. Newman ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 90 14:59:51 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!samsung!xylogics!transfer!lectroid!lectroid.sw.stratus.com!lennox@ucsd.edu (Craig Scott Lennox) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu (Mike deMare (Anomoly Daemon),222 Hamlin,,2684041) writes: Do not even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is pretty near impossible. Quite right ... for that you'd need the raw power of a 6502-based Apple ][... -- | flame me at: lennox@minilove.diag.stratus.com, (Craig Scott Lennox) | |"Oh boy, virtual memory! Now I'm gonna make myself a REALLY BIG ram disk!" | | Disclaimer: My opinions are covered by section 2b of the Gnu Public | | License and thus do not belong to Stratus Computer. | ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 90 12:00:22 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!swift.cs.tcd.ie!vax1.tcd.ie!jfsenior@uunet.uu.net (Semolina Pilchard.) Subject: Offline reader? Message-ID: <6994.27145ed6@vax1.tcd.ie> Gentle reader, I'm looking for a good offline reader for cp/m - what one should I get? - and where can I ftp it from? More for you than for himself, J. -- J. lives at JFSENIOR@vax1.tcd.ie "I was standing next to a mountain, chopped it down with the edge of my hand." ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 90 13:10:00 GMT From: snorkelwacker!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU Subject: SCSI Message-ID: <15519.2715c0a8@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <4903@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: > In article <15501.2711b9d8@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes: >>In article <4862@crash.cts.com>, mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: >>> In article <37898@ut-emx.uucp> spam@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Charles E. Watson) writes: >>>>Does anybody have a used WD1002-05 they could part with? ...or know >>>>where one could be found? >>> >>> There seems to be some confusion here... the WD1002-05 is NOT a >>> SCSI device. It needs a parallel port. >>> >>> Presumably this is going into a Kaypro? You may have better luck >>> with a 1002-HD0. >>> >> >>I thought a wd1002-05 was a SASI interface!? I'll see wots in my Kaypro >>tonite to resolve this one definitively. . . I'm in line for two more >>2-84's for 200$A and will likely need two more of these interfaces as well. > > This won't tell you anything... the K-10 doesn't use a SASI > interface, it uses a parallel bus. > > By now you have found that your Kaypro has one of three boards in > it: > 1) 1002-HD0 > This was the most common board used. Your 1.9E ( the > 81-302 ) ROM and the U-ROM are set up for this one. > 2) 1001-01 ( not sure about the suffix ) > Early K-10's have 1001's in them. > 3) 1002-05 > A weird beastie... has a floppy controller where the HD0 > has an empty socket. The 1002-05 and the HD0 are the > same functionally except for the floppy bus. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi: My K2x has been updated by me using the Emerald Microware system using a WD1002 -05G REV. Y My schematic & everything I have that's hardware docs says my "parallel" interface is a SASI interface. Maybe we're just talking semantics here, but It's nice to know what the extra ports are on the 1002! Do you know where I can obtain specs on the WD1002-05g? I would like to get more familiar with all of it. . . See ya: Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 90 18:55:37 GMT From: ccncsu!ncuug!rayr@boulder.colorado.edu (Ray Randolph) Subject: Xerox CPM 80/86 Message-ID: <54@ncuug.UUCP> Hiya all, I have a XEROX CPM 80/86, and I am looking for a copy of BASIC for the puppy. Anyone know where I can get this? Any other intersesting programs would handy too. :) -Ray P.S. Ignore the .sig, my email address is: ..!uunet!ccncsu!ncuug!rayr -Thanks -- rayr!ncuug@csu.colostate.edu (or something like that). Data: (303)225-1413 HST (or something like that) "Here the mirror of dreams of beauty... Here the looking glass of pride and ruined vanity." -- Clockdva ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #154 ************************************* 13-Oct-90 16:24:01-MDT,10227;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 90 16:15:14 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #155 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901013161514.V90N155@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 13 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 155 Today's Topics: CP/M BIOS source language Was Re:Need help with S100 Need info for an S-100 bus system (2 msgs) SIMTEL20 FTP server LIST output improved WD1002-xx controllers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Oct 90 00:06:55 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: CP/M BIOS source language Was Re:Need help with S100 Message-ID: <1990Oct13.000655.18694@techbook.com> In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes: >I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-). You >can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your >devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system >running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system. One nice thing >about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it >so you ought to do okay. I would recommend aquiring the following >items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up): > >8080 cross-assembler An 8080 cross assembler on a cp/m machine?? go figure... >Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in > *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some > user groups have it available in machine readable form). NO! Don't do this! Bad idea. you don't want to write a bios in c. you're only restricted to a maximum address space of 64k, so your bios has to be as small and as fast as possible. this is very important if you plan to add double density drives to the system, since that requires some form of sector blocking/deblocking. you do that in c and the bios will be much larger than it needs to be. the best tools to use when writing or hacking a bios is either ASM (which comes wth cpm) or RMAC, DR's relocating macro assembler. the job is easier with RMAC because it will generate your DPHs and DPBs for you. My cpm mentor tells me MASM will not work for this. > >Interestingly enough I happen to have a Z80 S-100 system running >CP/M right here (part of my collection of anachronistic computers, >I hardly ever use it, it sits next to an 8088 system which is next >to an 80286 system, which is the most modern thing I own, and only >because the University issued it to me when I enrolled). Do not >even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is >pretty near impossible. > I agree... -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right... Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Oct 90 23:52:20 GMT From: mintaka!ogicse!pdxgate!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct12.235220.18522@techbook.com> In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes: >I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-). You >can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your >devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system >running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system. One nice thing >about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it >so you ought to do okay. I would recommend aquiring the following >items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up): > >8080 cross-assembler An 8080 cross assembler on a cp/m machine?? go figure... >Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in > *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some > user groups have it available in machine readable form). NO! Don't do this! Bad idea. you don't want to write a bios in c. you're only restricted to a maximum address space of 64k, so your bios has to be as small and as fast as possible. this is very important if you plan to add double density drives to the system, since that requires some form of sector blocking/deblocking. you do that in c and the bios will be much larger than it needs to be. the best tools to use when writing or hacking a bios is either ASM (which comes wth cpm) or RMAC, DR's relocating macro assembler. the job is easier with RMAC because it will generate your DPHs and DPBs for you. My cpm mentor tells me MASM will not work for this. > >Interestingly enough I happen to have a Z80 S-100 system running >CP/M right here (part of my collection of anachronistic computers, >I hardly ever use it, it sits next to an 8088 system which is next >to an 80286 system, which is the most modern thing I own, and only >because the University issued it to me when I enrolled). Do not >even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is >pretty near impossible. > I agree... -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right... Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 90 16:36:15 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!uwm.edu!rpi!clarkson!news@ucsd.edu (Mike deMare (Anomoly Daemon),222 Hamlin,,2684041) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct13.163615.6218@news.clarkson.edu> From article <1990Oct12.235220.18522@techbook.com>, by fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay): > In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes: >>I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-). You >>can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your >>devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system >>running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system. One nice thing >>about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it >>so you ought to do okay. I would recommend aquiring the following >>items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up): >> >>8080 cross-assembler > > An 8080 cross assembler on a cp/m machine?? go figure... > I was thinking in terms of assembling some code on his "real" machine and keying it in through the monitor or frontpanel (ugh). I have seen some nice 8080 assemblers running on PDP-11's (under Unix lev. 6). >>Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in >> *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some >> user groups have it available in machine readable form). > NO! > > Don't do this! Bad idea. > > you don't want to write a bios in c. you're only restricted to > a maximum address space of 64k, so your bios has to be as small and > as fast as possible. this is very important if you plan to add > double density drives to the system, since that requires some form > of sector blocking/deblocking. you do that in c and the bios will > be much larger than it needs to be. the best tools to use when writing > or hacking a bios is either ASM (which comes wth cpm) or RMAC, DR's > relocating macro assembler. the job is easier with RMAC because it > will generate your DPHs and DPBs for you. My cpm mentor tells me MASM > will not work for this. Quite clearly you are correct, it is inappropriate to code a BIOS in C. But I had something a little different in mind..realating to AFTER he got the system up. > fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right... > > Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works. Mike Crime does not pay ... as well as politics. -- A. E. Newman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Oct 1990 15:45 MDT From: Keith Petersen Subject: SIMTEL20 FTP server LIST output improved Message-ID: A change has been made to provide a more informative output of the LIST command, sent to SIMTEL20's FTP Server, usually by a client's "dir" command. The modification does not interfere with other output formats required by other TOPS-20 systems, such as STAT with args. The output format is similar to the Unix "ls" format, but without the protection, owner, and group info. The order is: bytecount(bytesize) lastwrite_date lastwrite_time filename bytecount is right-justified, blank-filled, in an eight-column field. bytesize is right-justified, zero-filled, in a two-column field to accommodate a 36-bit bytesize. The lastwrite_date is blank-filled. The lastwrite_time is zero-filled. filename is left-justified. Pagecount was deliberately not included as it has significance only to other TOPS-20 hosts, and that information is available with the default SMART-DIRECTORY option, which uses the STAT command with args instead of the LIST command. Thanks to Frank Wancho for making the change. Comments by email welcome. Send to: Action@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil, w8sdz@brl.mil BITNET: w8sdz@NDSUVM1 Uucp: {ames,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,ucbvax,uunet}!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 90 07:16:30 GMT From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: WD1002-xx controllers Message-ID: <82Xyq1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> Recently, I saw a deluge of messages here about the Western Digital WD1002 hard disk controller boards. I happen to have a WD1002-SHD, and what significance does the SHD have? What the blazing heck (computerwise) can I use it with? I might be willing to part with it for a reasonable offer... ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #155 ************************************* 15-Oct-90 13:31:26-MDT,10310;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 90 13:15:07 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #156 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901015131508.V90N156@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 15 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 156 Today's Topics: Info requested on ADSI Python tape controller Kaypro 2x Disk Formatter Kaypro 4 software desperately needed Need info for an S-100 bus system (2 msgs) WD1002-xx controllers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Oct 90 11:55:51 GMT From: van-bc!ubc-cs!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!shad04@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dan Fandrich) Subject: Info requested on ADSI Python tape controller Message-ID: <1990Oct15.115551.13530@ccu.umanitoba.ca> I was given several Wangtek model 54590 tape drives and what I was told was an ADSI Python BSTI to SCSI controller. Of course, given what I paid for it ($0), I couldn't very well expect a manual, could I? I've looked around for ADSI and was told they were out of business. I know next to nothing about hooking up the board, and am even doubtful that it is SCSI (the latest date code on the chips is February 1984); for all I know it could be SASI. I'd appreciate any information about the boards, or pointers to ADSI and/or Wangtek. Thanks... >>> Dan -- Internet: shad04@ccu.umanitoba.ca CI$: 72365,306 FidoNet: 1:153/511.1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 90 08:49:50 EDT From: Len Hatfield Subject: Kaypro 2x Disk Formatter Message-ID: <901015084950.ENGLISH@VTVM1.CC.VT.EDU> Heigh-ho, CPMers! We've inherited a Kaypro 2x (I think: it runs CP/M 2.2G using 63k RAM, has single-sided, double density disks (191k), and has mono graphics) in our computing lab, which has disks and manuals galore, but no basic CPM system disk (containing COPY.COM and the other system files). I have an old Kaypro 4'83 at home, and have successfully copied its SYSGEN.COM onto the single-sided format that the 2x will read, and this gets me to the possibility of writing system info onto already formatted disks. But though I have downloaded MFDISK2.COM from Simtel20 and placed this onto the 2x's disks with a proper reboot, I've found no simple way available to both format and write system info to new disks on the 2x: MFDISK2 loads but won't run. ( I also tried to copy over the KP4's SSCOPY.COM, but this too won't run on the 2x). So I'm stumped and need a helping hand: can someone send me a copy of the old kaypro FORMAT.COM, or better yet, a copy of COPY.COM that will run on this 2x?? Or is there something I'm missing in the Simtel archives that'll handle this problem more easily? Or is there some other cache of CPMware on the internet to which I can gain access via anonymous FTP? RElated matters: 1) if the formatting software can be uploaded (as an ARK or LBR, say, or even UUencoded), it can be sent directly to me at this address on the internet. 2) Is there a version of ZCPR that's available as shareware like the K83Z33.LBR, but which will run and load on a 2x? Where?? Thanks for any and all help, folks! _______________________________ Len Hatfield / \ ________________/ English Department, Williams 216 \________________ _______________/ Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061 \_______________ _____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 90 03:02:22 GMT From: usc!jarthur!lucy.claremont.edu!jwarren@ucsd.edu Subject: Kaypro 4 software desperately needed Message-ID: <1990Oct14.200222.1@lucy.claremont.edu> help, I am the new owner of a Kaypro 4 and I am in desperate need of communication program (or any other types of software) so that I can hook up to my school's vax or unix system. Any info will be appreciated. Joe Warren JWARREN@HMCVAX.CLAREMONT.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 90 20:56:30 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!orc!inews!iwarp.intel.com!omepd!pzbaum!reed!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@ucsd.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct14.205630.7222@techbook.com> In article <1990Oct13.163615.6218@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes: >From article <1990Oct12.235220.18522@techbook.com>, by fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay): >> In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes: >>>I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-). You >>>can probably order documentation and/or CP/M drivers for your >>>devices, but you may have a bootstrap problem..you need the system >>>running CP/M in order to modify CP/M for the system. One nice thing >>>about CP/M is that the BIOS sources (in assembler) come with it >>>so you ought to do okay. I would recommend aquiring the following >>>items (to run on another system while getting your S-100 up): >>> >>>8080 cross-assembler >> >> An 8080 cross assembler on a cp/m machine?? go figure... >> > >I was thinking in terms of assembling some code on his "real" machine >and keying it in through the monitor or frontpanel (ugh). I have seen >some nice 8080 assemblers running on PDP-11's (under Unix lev. 6). > opps. sorry... actually, if you can find a cross assembler for a dos machine to write z80 code, you'd be farther ahead of the game provided it worked much like cp/m's ASM.COM or RMAC. but the easiest route (if you had to config cp/m from scratch) is to find someone with a cp/m machine that has the same disk format, and hack the bios. the beauty of this is that you can write a boot disk for the target machine on the source machine. It is a bit of trial and error, but if you're careful, you'll be succesfull. >>>Small-C (8080 version, source code is available, I have seen it in >>> *very* old Doctor Dobbs Journals, and believe that some >>> user groups have it available in machine readable form). >> NO! >> >> Don't do this! Bad idea. >> >> you don't want to write a bios in c. you're only restricted to >> a maximum address space of 64k, so your bios has to be as small and >> as fast as possible. this is very important if you plan to add >> double density drives to the system, since that requires some form >> of sector blocking/deblocking. you do that in c and the bios will >> be much larger than it needs to be. the best tools to use when writing >> or hacking a bios is either ASM (which comes wth cpm) or RMAC, DR's >> relocating macro assembler. the job is easier with RMAC because it >> will generate your DPHs and DPBs for you. My cpm mentor tells me MASM >> will not work for this. > >Quite clearly you are correct, it is inappropriate to code a BIOS >in C. But I had something a little different in mind..realating >to AFTER he got the system up. > ah, i see. in addition to small c, there is microsoft's basic compiler, and bds c. which i think is still undergoing development. nevertheless, you'll want to get 64k in the machine as soon as possible, as cp/m takes 8k to begin with, and most of these compilers tack on their own run time code -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - one of these days i'll get it right... Version 2 of anything is usually the version that works. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 90 14:22:44 GMT From: mcsun!unido!mpirbn!p554mve@uunet.uu.net (Michael van Elst) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1308@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> In article <1990Oct12.000849.12599@news.clarkson.edu> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu writes: >because the University issued it to me when I enrolled). Do not >even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is >pretty near impossible. Yes, a Z80 system is usually too small but either a bank-switched Z80 system (with lots of memory) or a HD64180 (with lots of memory too) could be used. It won't be that nice but the original Minix (on a PC/XT) has a limitation of 64K/process that could be mapped to the address space of the Z80, the HD64180 would even have the mapping curcuit on the chip. Regards, -- Michael van Elst UUCP: universe!local-cluster!milky-way!sol!earth!uunet!unido!mpirbn!p554mve Internet: p554mve@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de "A potential Snark may lurk in every tree." ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 90 07:56:28 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: WD1002-xx controllers Message-ID: <5041@crash.cts.com> In article <82Xyq1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: >Recently, I saw a deluge of messages here about the Western >Digital WD1002 hard disk controller boards. I happen to have a >WD1002-SHD, and what significance does the SHD have? The WD1002-SHD is, I believe, the SMD controller. Not having my data books available to me 'til tomorrow I can't be sure, but.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #156 ************************************* 18-Oct-90 18:31:58-MDT,8670;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 90 18:15:20 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #157 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901018181521.V90N157@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 18 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 157 Today's Topics: First Osborne Group Address Needed ftp sites for PD CP/M software? Kermitting to Vax Need info for an S-100 bus system (5 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Oct 90 01:53:21 GMT From: mintaka!spdcc!mirror!pallio!dg@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (David Goodenough) Subject: First Osborne Group Address Needed Message-ID: Les Flodrowski asks: > Could someone please send me the correct name and address of the First > Osborne Group? (out of California?) This comes from a few years ago. I dunno if it's correct, but give it a try. FOG P. O. BOX 3474, Daly City, CA 94015-0474 (415) 755-2000 -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 90 22:18:24 GMT From: richards@mcnc.org (William R. Richards Jr.) Subject: ftp sites for PD CP/M software? Message-ID: <2649@speedy.mcnc.org> Can anyone point me to some ftp sites containing PD software for CP/M systems? I am interested in FS editors, comm., utilities, etc. I have an Apple][+ with an ALS Z-Engine (don't laugh- it works!), but very little CP/M stuff. Also, if anyone in this newsgroup has any experience with Apple CP/M, I would appreciate hearing from them... Thanks -bill richards- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Richards MTS Phone: (919) 248-1452 Microelectronics Center of North Carolina Fax: (919) 248-1455 PO Box 12889 RTP, NC 27709-2889 e-mail: richards@mcnc.org ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 90 01:19:32 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bruce!monu1!vaxc!phs404g@uunet.uu.net (G.Anders) Subject: Kermitting to Vax Message-ID: <60339.271aecc4@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> HI, Does anyone know how I could Kermit (or otherwise transfer) files created on a cp/m machine to a vax?? The kermit program I have doesn't seem to handle it. ---Thanks, Greg. **************************************************************** *** Greg Anders, Physics Department, Monash University - Australia.*** **************************************************************** Disclaimer: The thoughts expressed above do not represent the opinions of anyone, least of all me. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 90 12:35:59 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!cs.glasgow.ac.uk!jack@uunet.uu.net (Jack Campin) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu wrote: > I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-). [...] > Do not even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is > pretty near impossible. Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like. I've seen it running and it seemed to work. Needed extra memory and CPU boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think. -- -- Jack Campin Computing Science Department, Glasgow University, 17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8QQ, Scotland 041 339 8855 x6044 work 041 556 1878 home JANET: jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk BANG!net: via mcsun and ukc FAX: 041 330 4913 INTERNET: via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk BITNET: via UKACRL UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 90 15:22:03 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!sci.ccny.cuny.edu!dsndata!unocss!mlewis@ucsd.edu (mlewis) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <3117@unocss.unomaha.edu> From article <1990Oct11.201515.22306@news.iastate.edu>, by spam@hobbes.cc.iastate.edu (Begley Michael L): > Hi...Yesterday I bought an S-100 bus system that the University was selling > off. It works, but I have absolutely no software or information on it. > The case has no manufactures' name on it, but inside are 4 boards: > 3: Vandenburg Data Products 16K Static Memory Board (rev B) > This has 4 banks of 8 NEC M79729-738 memory chips. Well, I have three of these (Rev A), bought in 1976 and still working. This is a 16K static MOS RAM board. Note, MOS. The Rev A boards were not rated for 4 MHz, but the Rev B is. About the only CPU you can use with those memory boards is a Z-80A, which you have. Welcome to the wonderful world of S-100, where expenses often exceed gains. S-100 boards available now are VERY expensive, like $350 for a SCSI controller, and so forth. I really liked the S-100 buss (I have 3 S-100 systems) but they are not worth my effort to upgrade. Marc -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Na khuya mne ehto gavno? | Internet: cs057@zeus.unomaha.edu preferred machine->| UUCP: uunet!mcmi!unocss!mlewis --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 90 21:49:04 GMT From: rochester!bbn.com!gonzalez@louie.udel.edu (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <60063@bbn.BBN.COM> In article <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes: > >demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu wrote: >> I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-). [...] >> Do not even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is >> pretty near impossible. > >Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like. >I've seen it running and it seemed to work. Needed extra memory and CPU >boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think. Tony Rich told me about these. It requires their 68000 processor and at least one 256k memory board. Cromemco was bought out by Dynatech, and has abandoned support of Cromix, so it is OK to distribute copies. If you can locate the boards and are willing to spring the few bills for them, you can get "Unix". I'm sticking with CDOS and ITC CP/M for now, since I'm cheap (that *is* why we use there things :-). -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 90 14:02:40 GMT From: njsmu!mccc!pjh@princeton.edu (Pete Holsberg) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct16.140240.17435@mccc.uucp> In article <1990Oct14.205630.7222@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: = = actually, if you can find a cross assembler for a dos machine to write =z80 code, you'd be farther ahead of the game provided it worked much like =cp/m's ASM.COM or RMAC. Or he could run a CP/M emulator on the DOS computer and use ASM, RMAC, etc. directly. Pete -- Prof. Peter J. Holsberg Mercer County Community College Voice: 609-586-4800 Engineering Technology, Computers and Math UUCP:...!princeton!mccc!pjh 1200 Old Trenton Road, Trenton, NJ 08690 Internet: pjh@mccc.edu Trenton Computer Festival -- 4/20-21/91 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 90 12:25:18 GMT From: attcan!telly!druid!darcy@uunet.uu.net (D'Arcy J.M. Cain) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct16.122518.10900@druid.uucp> In article <1308@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> p554mve@mpirbn.UUCP (Michael van Elst) writes: >Yes, a Z80 system is usually too small but either a bank-switched >Z80 system (with lots of memory) or a HD64180 (with lots of memory too) >could be used. It won't be that nice but the original Minix (on a PC/XT) True. I have (in the basement with a blown power supply) a Morrow Decision I with a Z80 and 256 K of memory. It runs a licensed port of V7 called Micronix. A little slow but a full UNIX system. It also came with a C/PM emulator called upm which was slower than molasses going uphill in January. -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain (darcy@druid) | D'Arcy Cain Consulting | I support gun control. West Hill, Ontario, Canada | Let's start with the government! + 416 281 6094 | ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #157 ************************************* 18-Oct-90 23:22:31-MDT,11151;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 90 23:15:22 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #158 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901018231523.V90N158@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 18 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 158 Today's Topics: Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / Wordstar / CP/M <-> DOS. IMSAI VDP80 Boot Disk Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? Kaypro 2x Disk Formatter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Oct 90 17:03:56 GMT From: husc9!citro@husc6.harvard.edu (Gil Citro) Subject: Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / Wordstar / CP/M <-> DOS. Message-ID: <4437@husc6.harvard.edu> I have a Kaypro 1 which serves the word processing function I need but I have two problems with it and I would appreciate any suggestions anyone can offer. The first problem is that I am trying to connect the computer to a Qume Sprint 5 printer without much success. The printer has a D-shaped connector on the back with space for 5 pins. Pins 0 thru 7, 20 and 25 are present. I was told by a cable manufacturer that by purchasing a special cable called a "null modem adapter," which was a normal cable with some lines switched, I could connect the computer to the printer. The cable switched lines 2 and 3, 4 and 5, and 6 and 20, but it did not enable me to connect the printer and the computer. I have called Qume, Kaypro, and Wordstar about this but nobody seems to know what to do. I would like to get this printer working because it would allow me to have the word processing functions I need (I am a college student) without spending much money (which I don't have). If I can't get it working I think I'm just going to have to trash the printer, so I would really appreciate and suggestions for last ditch attempts to get this thing up and running. The only other problem I have with this setup is that I am worried that one day I will be working on something important and my computer will gasp it's last breath leaving me with important files representing lots of work in CP/M format with no way of getting to them. Finding CP/M machines around these days isn't easy and I'm not sure where I would look or how long it would take - so I feel like I'm treading on thin ice by entrusting important files to the Kaypro. The ideal solution would be some kind of file conversion program which would allow me to read CP/M files on a MS-DOS machine, so that in an emergency I could move my files to a PC and edit them there. I have heard of one program which does just that, but it is fairly expensive (about $70) and with my budget that is more than I am willing to pay for a little extra safety. But if there is some program in the public domain which can accomplish this function for me I would appreciate hearing about it. It doesn't have to be fast or fancy or anything - I just want to have it around to save my neck in case I have trouble with my Kaypro. Thanks in advance for any advice anyone can give me. If anyone reading this is having similar problems, just send me mail and I'll be happy to pass along any useful tips I get. If I get anything which I think would be of general interest, I'll post a summary. Gil Citro citro@husc9.harvard.edu Gil Citro citro@husc9.harvard.edu |\/\/\/| | | | (o)(o) | _) | ,___| | / ____\ ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 90 08:40:34 GMT From: apn@apple.com (Alex Novickis) Subject: IMSAI VDP80 Boot Disk Message-ID: <45768@apple.Apple.COM> In article <9010060704.AA19681@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> C08926RC@WUVMD.WUSTL.EDU (Rob Caton) writes: >I have the opportunity to purchase an IMSAI VDP80. However, the >seller doesn't have any disks for it. Before I make a decision, >I'd like to find out if anyone here knows where I can get a copy >of the boot disk. > >Thanks! > > >Rob Caton >Information Systems >Washington University >C08926RC@WUVMD the answer to this may depend of what drives you have on the VDP80... and what disk controller. However, I for a time was part of a company that bought out the remains of IMSAI.. and they *still* exist. Fulcrum Computer Products 459 Allen Crt. Healdsburg, Ca 707-433-0202 -- Alex P. Novickis, Real Time systems demi-guru. (W) 408-370-4541 ALINK:alex.n (PAGE) 989-6678 UUCP:{amdahl,claris,pyramid,sun,decwrl,well,ubvax,ames}!apn@apple.com,apn@nonvon "I think... I think it's in my basement. Let me go upstairs and check"-Escher. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 90 21:22:19 GMT From: agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!ux.acs!hughes@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Steve Hughes) Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? Message-ID: <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> Okay, here's a hardware ID challenge: In the hopes of saving a few buck$ and putting off buying a computer of my own (I program at work on a IIci, getting a machine I can actually afford would be just to pitiful), I have bought a cheap terminal from a local surplus shop. I wanted to get something to dial up the mainframe with, using my old 1200 baud modem that has been idle since I sold my IIe. They had lotz of Adm3as and a few CDC and a couple of Hazeltine 1420's, (none of which worked) all for $39. After screwing around with what they had for a couple of hours, I settled for an unidentifiable Xerox terminal that had a solid looking screen and a very nice detatched keyboard. I was able to get it to work well with an old 300 baud modem in the shop, so I figured I'd give this one a shot. Now here is the deal: No documentation, and despite my best efforts, I cannot make it work at higher than 300 baud! Not with my (admittedly ancient, Novation Auto-Cat 212) modem or with a direct connect to an IBX box (on campus) capable of up to 9600 baud. This is nuts; it was built in 1984, it simply MUST be capable of faster operation, and I am hoping that someone reading this knows about this machine and can help me out. Here is as much as I know about it: ABSOLUTELY NO DIP SWITCHES. Product Code (from bottom of monitor unit): UO5. Description: Monitor is green filter over a white phosphorous crt, detatched keyboard, keyboard has numeric keypad on the right side, "Xerox" nameplate in upper left corner of keyboard unit. "Help" key in upper left corner of keyboard (where you might expect to find "esc"). There is a COMM port, Printer Port (RS-232) and for God's sake, a DISK DRIVES port and a reset button on the back of the unit. I open the case to check things out: I find a Z-80 MPU. The machine starts up with a beep and displays the following message: Xerox v 4.04 C 1982 Xerox Corp. L - Load System H - Host Terminal T - Typewriter * The "*" is, apparently, a monitor program prompt. Pressing the "Help" key from the * prompt yields this result: Baud [B/A] Dump [start] [end] Goto Modify Protocol [msk val] Looks like I could type "baud 1200" or something like that, right? Thats what I thought, no dice. There appear to be other monitor commands, for example, "w" yields "C1981BALCORESCOMPUTER" and some commands like "e" or "a" seem to produce some result, sometimes an apparent hang, sometimes something like: m 0000 00 <-stops here and waits for me to type a hex digit, then continues After I've done something online (at @%$# 300 baud) I can reset the machine (via the reset button on the back), get the * prompt back, and use the "d" (dump) command to generate a nice hex and ASCII scroll through RAM, and sure enough, my whole session is sitting there! Seems like I should be able to replay my session, scroll up and down, etc., but God (and Xerox) only knows how. Despite the Copyright dates, the machine has stamped on the bottom of the monitor unit "Manufactured Sept 1984." Opening the case shows a Z-80 board with all kinds of jumpers, pins and ROM chips with "v 4.04" printed on their labels. Also one card plugged into an edge connector. Other fun: The command "Parity even" seems to be digested by the monitor program, other attempts at discovering commands yield a beep and "what?" so I can tell what sort of input at least gets accepted. I can't seem to make the "baud" command choke by typing, say, "baud huppho" or something. No luck with stuff like "set" or "VT100" (it was worth a try at least!). Typewriter mode lets me type on the screen, and I assume, would pass characters through to a printer if attatched. L for Load system results in a hang, I assume it is trying to boot from floppy drives which, of course, I have not. After entering typewriter mode or host terminal mode I get the message "ctl-esc to exit", which takes me back to the "*" prompt. So the bottom line is, What do I have here besides a fun little Z-80 micro and part time extremely dumb, 300 baud terminal? Screen sure is solid, keyboard very nice, it's pleasant enough to _use_ but working at 300 baud is driving me nuts! Does anybody know anything about my mysterious Xerox UO5? If you do, please email me at: hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu Since this is a Z-80 machine, it must have run CP/M, and I have recently heard that it may in fact be a Xerox 820 microcomputer. If this is so, I would be very interested in buying a copy of the users manual from someone. I don't think I would be interested in disk drives, etc, but I would be intersted in discovering if the ROM host terminal mode supports some kind of terminal emulation, or if it will allow me to set parity, stop bits, etc.. I've got to believe that someone reading comp.os.cpm has used this machine! Any help at all would by much appreciated. Thanks! -Steve ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 90 17:45:03 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Kaypro 2x Disk Formatter Message-ID: <1990Oct17.174503.21381@simasd.uucp> Somebody played 'games' with your 2X before you got it! As issued, the 2X had Double sided double density drives. I'd look into restoring it to original. UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #158 ************************************* 20-Oct-90 13:12:41-MDT,8493;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 20-Oct-90 13:00:23 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 90 13:00:21 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #159 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901020130023.V90N159@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 20 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 159 Today's Topics: ftp sites for PD CP/M software? Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? Kermit to VAX Need info for an S-100 bus system Simtel20 directories (was Re: C for the 128) Z80MU info? (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Oct 90 10:43:38 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iceman!zlraa@ucsd.edu (Ross Alford) Subject: ftp sites for PD CP/M software? Message-ID: <1087@iceman.jcu.oz> Sites for CP/M PD software: of course, there is the classic: WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL, 26.2.0.74, which has mountains of CP/M stuff. Closer to the original inquirer, whom I noticed was from MCNC, is site 128.109.153.4, ccvax.cc.ncsu.edu, which also has quite a bit of PD CP/M stuff. To use the ncsu system, it's best to telnet to it, when it asks for a userid tell it PUBLIC--this gets you into a bbs. it is also possible to use anonymous ftp to retrieve files from it, but it has some sort of VAX/VMS? directory structure that makes it difficult to decide what directory to ask for. Ross Alford zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 90 04:06:10 GMT From: wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@eddie.mit.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? Message-ID: <27614@usc.edu> In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes: > >There is a COMM port, Printer Port (RS-232) and for God's sake, >a DISK DRIVES port and a reset button on the back of the unit. >I open the case to check things out: I find a Z-80 MPU. >The machine starts up with a beep and displays the following message: > >Xerox v 4.04 C 1982 Xerox Corp. > > L - Load System > H - Host Terminal > T - Typewriter > You have a full-fledged 820-II Xerox CP/M computer which, of course, needs disk drives (8" or 5" to work and a floppy card inside). >Baud [B/A] >Looks like I could type "baud 1200" or something like that, right? >Thats what I thought, no dice. There appear to be other monitor commands, No. You would THINK it should do that, and I agree. However, Xerox uses a hardware chip to set baud rate which takes a 4-bit value. Xerox did not map this, so Baud rate works with values from "0" to "F". Now, if memory serves me right, "5" is 300 baud, "7" is 1200 baud, "E" (or is it "D") is 9600 baud. I don't remember all the others in between, but you get the idea. Obviously, don't use the quotes, just the letter/number. There is an ADM-3A compatible video there, but it is NOT just a terminal that is widely configurable. Have fun... >If you do, please email me at: > >hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu > Mail bounced.... -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Fri 19 Oct 90 06:03:46-EDT From: John C Klensin Subject: Kermit to VAX Message-ID: <656330626.238881.KLENSIN@INFOODS.MIT.EDU> Greg Anders writes... > Does anyone know how I could Kermit (or otherwise transfer) > files created on a cp/m machine to a vax?? > The kermit program I have doesn't seem to handle it. Greg, We do this more or less all the time. Which versions of kermit are you using (VAX and CP/M machine), what type of files are trying to transfer (text or otherwise ("binary")), and what are the symptoms of "not handling it"? Most problems in dealing with VMS (Bliss) kermit arise from failure to use SET FILE BINARY when trying to transfer non-text files, perceived parity differences between the two kermits, etc. --john klensin Klensin@INFOODS.MIT.EDU ------- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 90 20:49:26 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!ogicse!littlei!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@ucsd.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> In article <1990Oct16.140240.17435@mccc.uucp> pjh@mccc.edu (Pete Holsberg) writes: >In article <1990Oct14.205630.7222@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >= >= actually, if you can find a cross assembler for a dos machine to write >=z80 code, you'd be farther ahead of the game provided it worked much like >=cp/m's ASM.COM or RMAC. > >Or he could run a CP/M emulator on the DOS computer and use ASM, RMAC, >etc. directly. > Not exactly. I tried using z80mu to write a zmd overlay. I could assemble it but the loader barfed under the emulator. Z80MU does not support such things as setting the DMA address for cp/m, among other things. if anybody knows of another emulator that works like z80mu (user interface) but does a better emulation, i'd appreciate hearing from you. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 90 04:20:03 GMT From: mintaka!spdcc!ima!mirror!pallio!dg@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (David Goodenough) Subject: Simtel20 directories (was Re: C for the 128) Message-ID: ez001287@deneb (Thomas Lew) says: > I've been FTP-ing from various sites for a while now, but SIMTEL20 seems > to work a bit differently from the rest. I can't find any "get"-table > files or find any changable directories. Can anyone help? Try changing directory to PD2: and doing a DIR SIMTEL20 is a TOPS-20 machine (I think - corrections welcome), and the general layout of a directory is PD2:. You may be able to CWD to PD2: to get a list of the subdirs. Also there are several upper level directories (The bit before the period), the ones I know are CPM, and SIGM which are the CP/M and SIG/M archives, but I think there are ones for MS-DOS, MISC stuff and maybe UNIX. I've cross posted this to comp.os.cpm, but redirected followups back to comp.sys.cbm - if there are any CP/M'ers out there that can provide better (or even correct :-) ) information, it would be very welcome indeed. -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 18 Oct 90 14:21:00 GMT From: usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@apple.com Subject: Z80MU info? Message-ID: <15550.271dba4c@levels.sait.edu.au> Hi: Did everyone know that there is a new version of Z80MU? It has color and alot more "good stuff" in it. UNfortunately, the registration price is a bit steep. Anyways, There you go. We got it over the net, but I can't remember where now. If you want to know give me a shout, and I'll find out. If I used it more than once a month, I'd register it. . . Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 20 Oct 90 10:49:44 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iceman!zlraa@ucsd.edu (Ross Alford) Subject: Z80MU info? Message-ID: <1088@iceman.jcu.oz> In article <15550.271dba4c@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes: >Hi: > >Did everyone know that there is a new version of Z80MU? It has color >and alot more "good stuff" in it. UNfortunately, the registration price is a >bit steep. Anyways, There you go. We got it over the net, but I can't remember >where now. If you want to know give me a shout, and I'll find out. > ^^^^^YAAAH >Ronn There's a shout. Can't do better over the net. I'd definitely like to know the location of this new Z80MU. Thanks in advance Ross Alford zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #159 ************************************* 24-Oct-90 02:33:38-MDT,18396;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 02:15:15 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #160 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901024021516.V90N160@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 24 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 160 Today's Topics: Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / etc Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? (2 msgs) Kaypro - Qume connection Need info for an S-100 bus system vt180 manuals ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 13:04:43 EDT From: "Paul V. Pullen" Subject: Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / etc Message-ID: <9010221304.aa26662@crdec7.apgea.army.mil> Sorry about having to send this to the board, but I have struck out trying to get this to Gil Citro. Husc6 and husc9 returned it to me. To: husc9!citro@husc6 Cc: pvpullen@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL Subject: Kaypro1 and Qume Sprint 5 Message-Id: <9010191212.aa29665@CRDEC2.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> Hope this helps; Qume hookup to Kaypro1 should require a direct cable with the following pins: 1<-------------------------------------->1 2<-------------------------------------->2 3<-------------------------------------->3 4<-------------------------------------->4 5<-------------------------------------->5 6<-------------------------------------->6 7<-------------------------------------->7 8<-------------------------------------->8 20<-------------------------------------->20 (note: pin 8 is questionable, but I have always used it in my connection from my Intertec Compustar VPU-30's to the Qume Sprint 5 printers). The switches under the front cover of the Qume is probably where the problem lies. The setup for the twin bank switches (that exist under the full front panel model of the Qume Sprint 5) are as follows: +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | / | | \ / | | Aswitch Bswitch \ | +--------+ +--------+ | | |87654321| |87654321| | | +--------+ +--------+ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Front of printer To back of printer ^ To front of printer v A Switches B Switches 8&7 are set parity 8 & 7 Handshake 8 7 dtr&etx/ack v v odd v v xon/xoff v ^ even v ^ mark ^ v 6 Auto lf/cr space ^ ^ auto cr/lf on ^ 6 Modem/no modem auto cr/lf off v No Modem ^ 5 Auto LF Modem v auto lf on ^ 5 Half/Full Duplex auto lf off v Half ^ 4 Stop print on paper out Full v stop on ^ 4 Self Test stop off v on ^ B3-B1 twintellect/ memory expansion off v are installed 3 2 & 1 Baud Rate 3 Twintellect 110 v v v on ^ 150 v v ^ off v 300 v ^ v 600 v ^ ^ 2 Not Used 1200 ^ v v 2400 ^ v ^ 4800 ^ ^ v 9600 ^ ^ ^ 1 Automatic Bidirectional printing on ^ off v The setup on my qume (with the intertec) is as follows: A Bank B bank ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ 87654321 87654321 v vv vv v vvvvv As you can see, I am using mark for parity, no modem, full duplex, st-off, and 1200 bits per second on the A bank. B bank gives me xon/xoff handshake, and auto bi-direction on (if my printer has twintellect installed in it.) You will have to play with the serial port settings for your Kaypro1. A The manual on the system will tell you how to set the output ports to use the serial printer port instead of the parallel printer port. I believe the local setup is something like stat slp:=tty: if I remember correct. (I may be wrong, so don't quote me.) Once the Kaypro is using the serial printer port, and the cable is correct, it "should be" easy. If necessary, I can bring my K1 to work and try it. After that, a serial cable with the above listed leads should give you print on the printer. Transfer of files from the Kaypro1 disk to IBM is very easily accomplished using the 22Disk program that is share ware and available from WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL public domain archives. It stored under the MSDOS archives, and is a fully operational system. The writers ask you to register your copy with them by paying a $25.00 registration fee, which gets you a copy without the advertising that is in the download version. It does work very well, and is worth the support. If I can be of assistance in the future, let me know. ---------------------------------- Paul Pullen United States Army Chemical Research, Development and Engineering Center pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil (301) 671-2519 /(301) 671-4174 ---------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 09:45:51 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? Message-ID: <1990Oct22.094551.21727@techbook.com> In article <1990Oct22.093431.21630@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes: >> >>Seems like I should be able to replay my session, scroll up and >>down, etc., but God (and Xerox) only knows how. Despite the Copyright >>dates, the machine has stamped on the bottom of the monitor unit >>"Manufactured Sept 1984." Opening the case shows a Z-80 board with >>all kinds of jumpers, pins and ROM chips with "v 4.04" printed on their >>labels. Also one card plugged into an edge connector. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > That's the givaway that it's not an 820 - I. i wish i could help >you more, but the only info i have is for the -I machines, and your machine >is mostly likely a -II. the baud rate generators are the same in each >machine, so you should be able to use the table above to select baud rates. > Damn, i should have been thinking.... was that card in the edge connector by any chance the monitor electronics??? does the main board have a card edge connector on it?? better yet, look on the cpu board for these numbers: either 140P82629A or 140P82664A if it has either of those 2 numbers, then you have an 820 and are in luck. 820-I machines do not have an edge connector on the main board. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 09:34:31 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? Message-ID: <1990Oct22.093431.21630@techbook.com> In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes: > > >Okay, here's a hardware ID challenge: >In the hopes of saving a few buck$ and putting off >buying a computer of my own (I program at work on a IIci, >getting a machine I can actually afford would be just to pitiful), >I have bought a cheap terminal from a local surplus shop. >I wanted to get something to dial up the mainframe with, using my >old 1200 baud modem that has been idle since I sold my IIe. >They had lotz of Adm3as and a few CDC and a couple of Hazeltine >1420's, (none of which worked) all for $39. After screwing around with >what they had for a couple of hours, I settled for an >unidentifiable Xerox terminal that had a solid looking screen and >a very nice detatched keyboard. I was able to get it to work well >with an old 300 baud modem in the shop, so I figured I'd give this one a shot. good choice thus far... broken terms are a waste of time... Before i go on, this followup is contigent on Beaverton Telephone throwing me a bunch of line noise that just might disconnect me. It makes vi a bitch to use... > >Now here is the deal: No documentation, and despite my best >efforts, I cannot make it work at higher than 300 baud! Not with my >(admittedly ancient, Novation Auto-Cat 212) modem or with a direct >connect to an IBX box (on campus) capable of up to 9600 baud. This is >nuts; it was built in 1984, it simply MUST be capable of faster >operation, and I am hoping that someone reading this knows >about this machine and can help me out. it is. baud rate generator is located at port 00H, write only. you can write to this with the monitor, using the "o" command. syntax is o port, data . all values must be entered in hex. Baud rate table 00 = 50 baud 01 = 75 baud 02 = 110 baud 03 = 134.5 baud (very odd) 04 = 150 baud 05 = 300 baud 06 = 600 baud 07 = 1200 baud 08 = 1800 baud 09 = 2000 baud 0A = 2400 baud 0B = 3600 baud 0C = 4800 baud 0D = 7200 baud 0E = 9600 baud 0F = 19.2 Kbaud > >Here is as much as I know about it: >ABSOLUTELY NO DIP SWITCHES. >Product Code (from bottom of monitor unit): UO5. >Description: Monitor is green filter over a white phosphorous crt, >detatched keyboard, keyboard has numeric keypad on the right side, >"Xerox" nameplate in upper left corner of keyboard unit. "Help" >key in upper left corner of keyboard (where you might expect to find "esc"). From the sounds of it, you have an 820 - II . > >There is a COMM port, Printer Port (RS-232) and for God's sake, >a DISK DRIVES port and a reset button on the back of the unit. >I open the case to check things out: I find a Z-80 MPU. >The machine starts up with a beep and displays the following message: > >Xerox v 4.04 C 1982 Xerox Corp. > > L - Load System > H - Host Terminal > T - Typewriter > >m >0000 00 <-stops here and waits for me to type a hex digit, then > continues that command allows you to enter a specified value into any memory location. if your monitor doesn't support the o command, you will need to enter the instructions to change baud rate into memory, and use the goto command to execute it. perhaps the baud command would work if you entered just the b. > >Seems like I should be able to replay my session, scroll up and >down, etc., but God (and Xerox) only knows how. Despite the Copyright >dates, the machine has stamped on the bottom of the monitor unit >"Manufactured Sept 1984." Opening the case shows a Z-80 board with >all kinds of jumpers, pins and ROM chips with "v 4.04" printed on their >labels. Also one card plugged into an edge connector. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's the givaway that it's not an 820 - I. i wish i could help you more, but the only info i have is for the -I machines, and your machine is mostly likely a -II. the baud rate generators are the same in each machine, so you should be able to use the table above to select baud rates. your best bet would be to find someone with a similar machine, get some disk drives and make a boot disk. run cp/m and use a terminal emulator. by the way, the 820 machines emulate an adm 3a directly. > >Since this is a Z-80 machine, it must have run CP/M, and I have >recently heard that it may in fact be a Xerox 820 microcomputer. >If this is so, I would be very interested in buying a copy >of the users manual from someone. I don't think I would be >interested in disk drives, etc, but I would be intersted in >discovering if the ROM host terminal mode supports some kind >of terminal emulation, or if it will allow me to set parity, stop >bits, etc.. It's really a fine cp/m machine. although it probably has seen its better days, using it as merely a dumb terminal is a waste of resources. Find some disk drives (i think it can handle both 8 inch and 5 inch, check the controller chip. if it's a 1771, your stuck at single density and (practically) 8 inch drives, if it's a 179x you can use either.) and enjoy the machine for what it is. they work great as a bbs host... :) -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 90 23:56:26 PDT From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Kaypro - Qume connection Message-ID: <0093E7F2C0665420.00000111@dcs.simpact.com> Reference the recent Kaypro-Qume connection problems, the definition of RS-232 is a connection that never works first time, and always works in the end. You need the following book: The RS-232 Solution - Joe Campbell - Sybex which is a good practical reference and also deals specifically with interfacing a Kaypro to an MX100, which might be some help. With this book, debugging an unkown interface takes between 30 seconds and 4 hours; certainly I've never had a failure yet, and I'm no sort of expert. Good luck - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 90 18:27:40 PDT From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <9010200127.AA03607@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> In <60063@bbn.BBN.COM> rochester!bbn.com!gonzalez@louie.udel.edu (Jim Gonzalez) writes: >In article <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk >(Jack Campin) writes: >> >>demarem@clutx.clarkson.edu wrote: >>> I suspect that your choices for an OS are CP/M or CP/M :-). [...] >>> Do not even dream of trying to run MINIX on an 8080 or Z80 system, it is >>> pretty near impossible. >> >>Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like. >>I've seen it running and it seemed to work. Needed extra memory and CPU >>boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think. > >Tony Rich told me about these. It requires their 68000 processor and at ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^?? >least one 256k memory board. Cromemco was bought out by Dynatech, and has [remainder deleted....} It requires *bunches* of bank select memory, but I distinctly remember seeing a friend run Cromemco's CROMIX on a 4MHz Z80 cpu (I think it was a Cromemco "ZPU"???). Don't remember much about performance or function, however. roger rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov Three vampires walk into a bar and the first one says to the bartender, "I'd like a pint of blood." The second one says, "A pint of blood for me too." The third one says, "Make mine a pint of plasma." The bartender says, "Let me be sure I've got this right. That will be two bloods and a blood lite?" ------------------------------ Date: 21 Oct 90 22:09:27 GMT From: mnetor!utzoo!dciem!lfergus!larry@uunet.uu.net (Larry Moore) Subject: vt180 manuals Message-ID: Anyone have any manuals for the DEC CP/M system, the VT180, no longer supported nor stocked by Digital? Thanks for any pointers or help! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #160 ************************************* 24-Oct-90 11:19:04-MDT,9849;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 11:15:20 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #161 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901024111521.V90N161@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 24 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 161 Today's Topics: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #160 Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? (2 msgs) Need info for an S-100 bus system (3 msgs) Wanted: Intertec Superbrain info ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 11:18 CDT From: "arun baheti " Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #160 Re: 820-I/II identification It does sound like you have a -II, not a -I. You should have several options. From the monitor when you turn on the system, does the machine give three choices (load, typewriter, terminal host?)? If so, it is a -II. To set baud rate, you can use a monitor command "B" in the following manner: B 7 A (Baud 7=1200 bps port=A). B A A will set for 2400; the hex listing sent previously gives other values. You may also be able to find some cheap 8" or 5.25" drives at a local Xerox Store or via a Xerox oriented BBS, and then run CP/M software. --arun baheti nbaheti.elsegundo@xerox.com sabahe@macalstr.edu ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 90 00:49:47 GMT From: sunc.osc.edu!malgudi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? Message-ID: <27666@usc.edu> In article <1990Oct22.094551.21727@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >In article <1990Oct22.093431.21630@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >>In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes: >>>labels. Also one card plugged into an edge connector. >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > was that card in the edge connector by any chance the monitor >electronics??? does the main board have a card edge connector on it?? It is - no doubt at all - an 820-II. They have two edge connectors on them. One (which is in use) is either for the floppy controller or hard disk controller. The other is for an 8088 card which, in turn, can talk to an expansion box which can have all other kinds of goodies. Most stock 820-II have the floppy card. Look at the main 40-pin chip on this small card; if it is a 1797, it is the floppy. If it is a Z80-PIO, then it is the hard disk controller. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 90 00:56:20 GMT From: spdcc!mirror!pallio!dg@husc6.harvard.edu (David Goodenough) Subject: Is this a Xerox 820 micro? If so, now what? Message-ID: In article <27614@usc.edu> mlinar@eve.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) sez: >In article <2499@ux.acs.umn.edu> hughes@ux.acs.umn.edu (Steve Hughes) writes: >>Baud [B/A] >>Looks like I could type "baud 1200" or something like that, right? >>Thats what I thought, no dice. There appear to be other monitor commands, > > No. You would THINK it should do that, and I agree. However, Xerox > uses a hardware chip to set baud rate which takes a 4-bit value. > Xerox did not map this, so Baud rate works with values from "0" to "F". > > Now, if memory serves me right, "5" is 300 baud, "7" is 1200 baud, "E" (or > is it "D") is 9600 baud. I don't remember all the others in between, but > you get the idea. Obviously, don't use the quotes, just the letter/number. Hummm - this got me to thinking about the QTERM patch for a Kaypro, which is based on the "good 'ol" Ferguson Big Board [1], just like the Xerox 820 was. So I pulled the baud rate table from the Kaypro patch, and guess what: b38400: db 0,no ; 38400 baud b19200: db 0xf,yes ; 19200 b9600: db 0xe,yes ; 9600 b4800: db 0xc,yes ; 4800 b2400: db 0xa,yes ; 2400 b1200: db 7,yes ; 1200 b600: db 6,yes ; 600 b300: db 5,yes ; 300 baud Yup. 5 is 300, 7 is 1200, and e is 9600. Try the others in between, and let us know what happens. Enquiring minds want to know! [1] I don't know the _EXACT_ history of the Big Board, Kaypro, and Xerox machines, but the QTERM patches for these are as close to identical as makes no difference. I remember hearing that they all started from a common ancestor, I'm only 99% sure it was the Big Board (version 2 I think). If anyone wants to provide a full history feel free to correct what I've said above. -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 15:35:20 GMT From: pilchuck!dataio!fnx!del@uunet.uu.net (Dag Erik Lindberg) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <751@fnx.UUCP> In article <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes: > >Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like. >I've seen it running and it seemed to work. Needed extra memory and CPU >boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think. > Cromix requires Cromemco's dual CPU card, and the OS itself runs on the 68000 CPU only. You could run multiple CDOS sessions time-sliced on the Z80 CPU. (CDOS is/was their CP/M clone). -- del AKA Erik Lindberg uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del Who is John Galt? ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 20:17:38 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!trice@purdue.edu (Phil Trice) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <5849@mace.cc.purdue.edu> >In article <6565@vanuata.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> jack@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) writes: >> >>Cromemco had an OS called Cromix that was meant to be vaguely Unix-like. >>I've seen it running and it seemed to work. Needed extra memory and CPU >>boards above the bare S-100 minimum, I think. >> >Cromix requires Cromemco's dual CPU card, and the OS itself runs on the This is true *only* for the 68K Cromix. They also sold a Z80 Cromix that one could run on a System 2 with several additional banks of memory. As one might imagine, the Z80 version was, even on a good day, a *dog*. I think the OS stabilized at aroung release 30. >68000 CPU only. You could run multiple CDOS sessions time-sliced on the The 68K version also supported a CDOS simulator. This made things fairly nice, since one could execute programs without regard to what CPU (680[00,01,02] or Z80) or OS (CROMIX or CDOS) they were intended for. The loader would figure things out, and fire up the appropriate CPU. >del AKA Erik Lindberg uunet!pilchuck!fnx!del All told, the Cromemcos were *not* bad products. From the start (and they *were* at the forefront with the S-100 bus), the products were well-engineered, and pretty solid. Save for a few incorrect marketing decisions, they might have been a major player yet. -Phil Trice Purdue University Computing Center Microcomputer Repair Group Enad 135C West Lafayette, IN 47907 (317) 494-1787 ahp@mace.cc.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 09:59:24 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!daver!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > Not exactly. I tried using z80mu to write a zmd overlay. I could > assemble it but the loader barfed under the emulator. What loader were you using? And does it say what calls it puked on? > Z80MU does > not support such things as setting the DMA address for cp/m, among > other things. What do you expect for an emulator? It probably could be done but I dunno... > if anybody knows of another emulator that works like > z80mu (user interface) but does a better emulation, i'd appreciate > hearing from you. You and me both. I've heard that Joan Riff has great contempt for ZCPR3, 4DOS and like packages, and besides, her stuff is cataclysmically expensive. I personally would not pay for her stuff because that software is not worth $150, and why penalize us for her mistake she made before which supposedly caused her company to "lose their shirts"? Ah well, the heck with it... (grin) ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 14:51:29 GMT From: lotus!patman@uunet.uu.net (Pat Mancuso) Subject: Wanted: Intertec Superbrain info Message-ID: <1990Oct22.145129.27722@lotus.com> A friend of mine just acquired an old intertec superbrain, and he'd like to decide if it's worth keeping. Does anyone have any info relating to this beast? (I dug up an ad for it in the Nov. '79 issue of Byte) They mention 32k or 64k versions. What are the different model/feature #'s? What disk format does it use? I've got a Xerox 820-I that I could hook a 5.25" drive to if it'll use what the '820 can write, or more conveniently, if there's a PC program around that'll read/write the correct format... Is there a user's group around somewhere (I don't remember- does micro cornucopia cover this one?) that still exists? He just has the machine - no disks or doc, so any help (like a boot disk??) would be greatly appreciated. (Email replies to me and I'll get the info to him) Thanks! Pat ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #161 ************************************* 24-Oct-90 19:23:03-MDT,12403;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 24 Oct 90 19:15:10 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #162 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901024191512.V90N162@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 24 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 162 Today's Topics: File Server -- failure Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / etc How to use unix dd to read Kaypro disk Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system Need info for an S-100 bus system Need SVA ZVX4 PCPI Applicard Driver in binary form!! UZI Z80MU info? (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Oct 90 04:59:53 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!ewen@uunet.uu.net (Ewen McNeill) Subject: File Server -- failure Message-ID: <1990Oct23.045953.6048@actrix.co.nz> I have been trying to contact the CP/M File Server at pallio!rna. The address I have been using is rna%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com. I have tried a few times, and each time it has bounced. Included below is a copy of the bounce message that I recieved. If someone is able to improve on this address, or suggest where it went wrong I would be very greatful. The file that I am most interested in is Unzip, although I wouldn't mind a copy of the index and help for future reference. Please reply by mail, there is little use wasting bandwidth on this. What the mail daemon said: [Slightly edited] Date: Mon, 22 Oct 90 15:51:55 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <9010221951.AA08170@kaukau.comp.vuw.ac.nz> To: ewen@actrix.co.nz Subject: Returned mail: Service unavailable ----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to xait.xerox.com.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 554 ... UnknownLocalHost 554 xait.xerox.com!pallio!rna... Service unavailable ----- Unsent message follows ----- From: Ewen McNeill Message-Id: <9010222039.AA03393@actrix.co.nz> Subject: To: rna@pallio.uucp Date: Tue, 23 Oct 90 8:39:17 NZS X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL3] /send help to ewen@actrix.co.nz /send index to ewen@actrix.co.nz --- Ewen McNeill. Email: ewen@actrix.co.nz -- --- Ewen McNeill. Email: ewen@actrix.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 90 21:08:36 GMT From: sunc.osc.edu!malgudi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!public!techie@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Vaughan techie@btr.com) Subject: Help with Kaypro 1 / Qume Sprint 5 / etc Message-ID: <775@public.BTR.COM> The correct command line to configure the kaypro for serial printer is STAT lst: = tty: to reconfigure for a parallel printer it would be STAT lst: = lpt: You can also make it automatic on startup by using CONFIG (if you have it) BEWARE of changing con: using CONFIG. test it first using STAT. CONFIG saves the changes to the current boot disk. at least on my kaypro 10, I can set con: = tty: and use a teletype or a crt for a remote terminal. you can use STAT dev: to show what is currently set for I/O. Bob Vaughan - techie@well.sf.ca.us - {apple,pacbell,hplabs,ucbvax}!well!techie - techie@btr.com - {fernwood,decwrl,mips}!btr!techie 1-415-856-8025 (My Robot) Welcome My Son, Welcome To The Machine I am me, I am only me, and no one else is me. What could be simpler? ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 13:20:39 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!mike@ucsd.edu (Mike O'Donnell) Subject: How to use unix dd to read Kaypro disk Message-ID: <38642@ut-emx.uucp> I am attempting to use the unix dd command to read a Kaypro II diskette. Has anyone done this before and if so, what are the proper parameters. The Kaypro diskette has the following configuration 512 bytes/sector 40 sectors/track 8 sectors/block block size=1K disk size = 191K (usable space) extents/entry = 1 # of disk blocks total = 195 max directory entries=64 double density I am trying to read this on a Compaq 386/33 running Interactive Systems Unix. What I hope to come up with is a copy of the disk image on the hard disk that I can then use to play around with and read some data off of the diskettes. Thanks , Mike ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 06:00:45 GMT From: mintaka!ogicse!plains!person@BLOOM-BEACON.MIT.EDU (Brett G. Person) Subject: Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <6435@plains.NoDak.edu> In article ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: >fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > >You and me both. I've heard that Joan Riff has great contempt >for ZCPR3, 4DOS and like packages, and besides, her stuff is >cataclysmically expensive. I personally would not pay for her >stuff because that software is not worth $150, and why penalize >us for her mistake she made before which supposedly caused her >company to "lose their shirts"? Ah well, the heck with it... The one thing I'll say for her company is that they write some of the most sarcastic docs I have ever read. I like z80mu, but didn't want to shell out the bucks because of the ahemmm.. attitude of the woman... Just who is she, anyway. -- Brett G. Person North Dakota State University uunet!plains!person | person@plains.bitnet | person@plains.nodak.edu ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 07:41:48 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct24.074148.23090@techbook.com> In article ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: >fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > >> Not exactly. I tried using z80mu to write a zmd overlay. I could >> assemble it but the loader barfed under the emulator. > >What loader were you using? And does it say what calls it puked >on? > i was using cp/m load.com. and the function was number 26, set DMA address. >> Z80MU does >> not support such things as setting the DMA address for cp/m, among >> other things. > >What do you expect for an emulator? It probably could be done >but I dunno... > what do i expect from an emulator?? an emulation that works. granted it is free software (virtually) so i can't beef much, but all the DMA address in cp/m does is tell the operating system where the next disk operating is supposed to read/load the data from/to. this is used quite a bit in some utilities. when loading a file for processing, the application reads in a disk block, increments the DMA address by 128, and reads the next one, and so on. it's a bit faster than doing a read/block move approach. as far as emulating a z80, it does a good job. emulating cp/m is another story. And now for something completely different... I have a california computer systems s100 machine that i am trying to get back into working order. it has three boards, a model 2810 Z80 cpu, a model 2065 64k RAM board, and a model 2422 Disk controller board. My problem is: What is the power-on jump address supposed to be set at so the coldstart rom will be executed?? when i got the board it was set at 0000H, which didn't work. I have no documentation with this machine, so i don't want to resort to the trial and error method, checking all 65536 addresses, although by educated guesses it could be narrowed down to 512 or so. Also, if anyone else out there has a machine like this one, would i be able to get a copy of the boot disk?? i have a bios listing for this system, but don't want to go through the hassle of building cp/m onto a floppy, and also the only machine i have here (with 8 inch drives) is a tandy model 12, which has an ersatz cp/m implementation. (doesn't support movcpm and sysgen, which are a necessity for this type of port.) and another request... i also have a kaypro 2 (1983), and i need a boot disk for it. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 1990 12:40:34 CDT From: JDB8042@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU (John D. Baker) Subject: Need SVA ZVX4 PCPI Applicard Driver in binary form!! Message-ID: <901024124034.2020483e@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU> To any and all CP/M'ers who use the PCPI Applicard, And any AppliCard Gurus, HELP!! I need the driver for the AppliCard to use the SVA ZVX4 8" disk controller in machine-executable form. I have the '.A65' assembly source but have neither the 'A65' assembler nor the 'MAKEDVR' program required to assemble and link it. (I would also need DRI's LINK, but I think MS's Link-80 can substitute). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If anyone can supply me with the assembled and linked '.DVR' file, then please do so. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ else if anyone can supply me with the 'A65' assembler and 'MAKEDVR' && 'LINK', then please do so else teach me more about the structure of AppliCard drivers and I may be able to hand-assemble it. (I am having trouble making sense of the relocation bitmaps which follow the actual driver code. The bytes I think it means to alter for relocating don't seem to make sense when compared to the source code. Thanks for the help, John D. Baker ->An Apple ZCPR3 nut // ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 90 20:34:11 GMT From: dino!news.iastate.edu!spam@uunet.uu.net (Begley Michael L) Subject: UZI Message-ID: <1990Oct23.203411.14829@news.iastate.edu> A few people mentioned to me a program called UZI which was a UNIX-like operating system for z-80's. I looked for it on terminator but I couldn't find it... where is UZI located? thanks, -mike begley spam@iastate.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 13:34:07 GMT From: usc!sdd.hp.com!samsung!munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@ucsd.edu Subject: Z80MU info? Message-ID: <15564.2722f552@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <1088@iceman.jcu.oz>, zlraa@iceman.jcu.oz (Ross Alford) writes: > In article <15550.271dba4c@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes: >>Hi: >> >>Did everyone know that there is a new version of Z80MU? It has color >>and alot more "good stuff" in it. UNfortunately, the registration price is a >>bit steep. Anyways, There you go. We got it over the net, but I can't remember >>where now. If you want to know give me a shout, and I'll find out. >> ^^^^^YAAAH >>Ronn > > There's a shout. Can't do better over the net. I'd definitely > like to know the location of this new Z80MU. Hi: (again) The version is 5.2b just to whet yer appetite. . . I think we got it from the news system uuencoded!? Must go ask, I forgot. If WCtW, I'll post it similarly here (Is that ok?) If not, well we'll work it out. Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 10:02:43 GMT From: sunc.osc.edu!malgudi!caen!umich!sharkey!indetech!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Z80MU info? Message-ID: <9qTFR3w163w@ijpc.UUCP> zlraa@iceman.jcu.oz (Ross Alford) writes: > In article <15550.271dba4c@levels.sait.edu.au> etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au write > >Hi: > > > >If you want to know give me a shout, and I'll find out. > > ^^^^^YAAAH > >Ronn > > There's a shout. Can't do better over the net. I'd definitely > like to know the location of this new Z80MU. > > Thanks in advance I wouldn't mind either. But I still have problems with Joan Riff's expecting some huge amount of money. I mean seriously, is Z80MU worth $150? 22NICE seems to be just that, NICE, and it's only $25-$40. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #162 ************************************* 25-Oct-90 17:25:09-MDT,9378;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 17:15:43 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #163 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901025171544.V90N163@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 25 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 163 Today's Topics: CP/M Software at ncsu Joan Riff and Z80M (2 msgs) Kaypro disk with unix dd command Need info for an S-100 bus system Otrona Attache PC Info Reply to Kermitting to Vax vt180 manuals ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 13:33:23 EDT From: Mack Goodman Subject: CP/M Software at ncsu Message-ID: <9010251333.aa14543@crdec8.apgea.army.mil> Ross Alford wrote recently about how this site (128.109.153.4) had CP/M software. I am greatful for that but I cannot seem to retrieve any of it. Could someone, who has done it, explain to me how to FTP to this site. Anonymous doesn't let me log in. Any help? Mack Goodman ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 23:32:32 GMT From: umigw!mthvax!max@handies.ucar.edu (Max Southall) Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M Message-ID: <1990Oct24.233232.11580@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> Not liking Joan's attitude as a reason for using and not paying for her CP/M and Z80 emulation package sounds like a rather convenient justification for taking advantage and saving bucks. If you feel you can't use her stuff in good conscience, don't use it at all. That's like saying it's OK to rob banks because some of them invest in South Africa! Sheesh. References: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> <6435@plains.NoDak.edu> ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 18:05:00 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!descartes.math.purdue.edu!wilker@purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M Message-ID: <15678@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Actually version 3.10 of Z80MU is officially marked "public domain", so one can use it with a clear conscience. If you have a V20 chip, I posted to GENIE and SIMTEL20 a package in Turbo Pascal that emulates a CP/M environment. It goes to more trouble than many of the early emulators to get the calls right.. for example SD and DISK76 work correctly. I believe that there are some undocumented manipulations of fields in the FCB bu BDOS which are not handled, so the WORDSTAR install program, written before random i/o, manipulated these fields directly, and fails on my emulation. The package was distributed with source as V20BOOT. Clarence Wilkerson ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 14:58:00 EDT From: "MAPLE::SNIPEHUNT" Subject: Kaypro disk with unix dd command I think that a problem you'll run into is that the Kaypro's system tracks are single density, even though the rest of the disk is double density. As I don't have a Kaypro myself, I'm operating on what I recall reading somewhere some years ago, so caveat coorespondent! :-) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 23:52:12 GMT From: titanic.cs.wisc.edu!tonyrich@speedy.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <11566@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Dag Erik Lindberg writes: >Cromix requires Cromemco's dual CPU card, and the OS itself runs on the >68000 CPU only. You could run multiple CDOS sessions time-sliced on the >Z80 CPU. (CDOS is/was their CP/M clone). That's Cromemco's "68000 Cromix"...I have an old version of it and still use it. But Cromemco also sold a different product called "Z80 Cromix." I saw it running once, a long, long time ago. Here's a blurb about Z80 Cromix from an old Cromemco product catalog: "Cromemco's CROMIX multi-user, multi-tasking operating system is a UNIX- like system which is available for use on all Cromemco Z80-A microcomputer systems with a minimum of 128K of RAM. [...] Important features: . Multiple tasks, multiple users [I wonder what response time was like?!] . Multiple hierarchical directories . Record level locking . Interprocess communication using pipes & signals . Execution of multiple processes in a single memory bank . Prioritized process execution . I/O redirection . Flexible shell [Actually pretty primitive. Looping via IF - GOTO...] . Login with password, access permissions on files . Resident, swapping-free execution of tasks and servicing of users through bank selection for rapid context switching." Not too bad for a cut-down UNIX-like OS that ran on a Z80 and floppies. I wonder if there are any surviving copies out there? -- Tony -- ----------------------------------------- | EMAIL: tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu | | Disclaimer: I speak only for myself. | ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 90 23:01:14 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!sugar!ficc!lloyd@ucsd.edu (greg lloyd) Subject: Otrona Attache PC Info Message-ID: A friend and I recently picked up a couple of Otrona Attache CP/M machines at a company garage sale. They appear to be neat little portable CP/M machines: two DSDD 5.25" floppy drives, hi-rez graphics (well, as hi-rez as you can get on an itty-bitty 4" screen), battery-backed clock, sound chip, two serial ports and an expansion slot. One machine is fully functional; the other's motherboard is dead. We got one Attache user's guide, boot disks and some application software in the deal. We would like to see if anyone out there has any schematics for the main board. We would gladly pay for the cost of copying, shipping and handling. Maybe we have the software that someone else is lacking and can swap. Also, one of the machines (the dead one) had an 8086 coprocessor board installed in it. It also has an IEEE-488 port on it. We installed the board in the working machine but it did not cause any difference in operation. Supposedly there are CP/M-86 and MS-DOS boot disks for the coprocessor board. If anyone has information on this board or has the 8086 disks please let me know. Thanks in advance, Greg -------------------------------------------------------------------- J. Greg Lloyd Systems Application Engineering 3655 Westcenter Dr. Houston, TX 77042 lloyd@ficc.ferranti.com ph: (713) 274-5260 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 11:52:52 -0400 From: EUDOH%sctnve@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Reply to Kermitting to Vax Message-ID: <5A0A190B2739006F-SCTNVE*EUDOH@sctnve> > Date: 16 Oct 90 01:19:32 GMT > From: munnari.oz.au!bruce!monu1!vaxc!phs404g@uunet.uu.net (G.Anders) > Subject: Kermitting to Vax > Message-ID: <60339.271aecc4@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au> > > HI, > Does anyone know how I could Kermit (or otherwise transfer) > files created on a cp/m machine to a vax?? > The kermit program I have doesn't seem to handle it. > > ---Thanks, Greg. I remember the first time I was introduced to kermit, about 5 years ago and I haven't been able to live without it since.... Well, 1. the parity on both ends have to match.... 2. the receive and send packet lengths have to match.... 3. you can sometimes get away with having different file types set on both ends but most of the time they have to match... 4. finally, depending on how fast the vax responses, you may have to set a delay time, otherwise your micro-kermit will not catch the first initialization packet that the vax sends out and it will just sit there..... (on unix you usually do a command, but on vax you should be able to set that parameter.... that's the basic troubleshooting routine there....hope that helps.. ___________________________________________________________ ( -->> Eudoh@sctnve.bitnet <<-- Cyber Lab Consultant ) ( Computer Operations ) ( //!\\ \\\\\\\\ Southern College of Technology ) ( // \\ !! ) ( //!!!!!\\ //////// \\ Etop Udoh \\ ) ( // \\ !! \\ - A2 - \\ ) ( // \\ \\\\\\\\ ) ( Sometimes you just gotta say "what the f*ck" ) (___________________________________________________________) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 01:20:38 EDT From: crone%cuavax.dnet@netcon.cua.edu Subject: vt180 manuals Message-ID: <9010250520.AA05552@netcon.cua.edu> Sorry - can't get to Larry Moore direct. I have a vt180 with most of the manuals. What do you need? Tom Crone CRONE@CUA.BITNET or CRONE@CUAVAX.DNET.CUA.EDU ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #163 ************************************* 27-Oct-90 08:35:17-MDT,8896;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 27 Oct 90 08:15:29 MDT From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #164 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901027081529.V90N164@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 27 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 164 Today's Topics: Joan Riff and Z80M Kaypro disk with unix dd command (2 msgs) Xerox 820-II cards Z80MU info? Zmp and Qterm ZNODE 51 down for technical reasons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Oct 90 21:42:34 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M Message-ID: max@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Max Southall) writes: > Not liking Joan's attitude as a reason for using and not paying for her > CP/M and Z80 emulation package sounds like a rather convenient > justification for taking advantage and saving bucks. If you feel you can't > use her stuff in good conscience, don't use it at all. That's like saying > it's OK to rob banks because some of them invest in South Africa! Sheesh. > > References: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> <64 That's not necessarily true. She puts her shareware fees much too high for it to be with most shareware which goes from $15-~$90. Like I said in an earlier message, it isn't worth THAT much. If you consider unreasonably high shareware fees "not liking Joan's attitude", so be it. I consider her attitude as only partly why I wouldn't buy it. It's the unreasonably high shareware fee that she asks which is not convincing me not to buy it. I guess the reason yo find it a convenient reason is because it's so easily obtained. It's distributed on the "try-before-you-buy" basis that is shareware. Also, just wondering, did you yourself pay the $150 she asks for it? Or did you find out about how much she wants and then decide not to use it? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 90 08:11:14 PDT From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: Kaypro disk with unix dd command Message-ID: <9010261511.AA21388@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> snipehunt%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes: > I think that a problem you'll run into is that the Kaypro's system tracks > are single density, even though the rest of the disk is double density. Is this correct?? I've never seen a Kaypro diskette like this. I thought that Cromemco was the only vendor to pull this trick!! What's the scoop?? roger rzh@lll-lcc.llnl.gov icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 90 12:01:42 GMT From: hayes.ims.alaska.edu!floyd@decwrl.dec.com (Floyd Davidson) Subject: Kaypro disk with unix dd command Message-ID: <1990Oct27.120142.10455@hayes.ims.alaska.edu> In article <9010261511.AA21388@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes: >snipehunt%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes: > >> I think that a problem you'll run into is that the Kaypro's system tracks >> are single density, even though the rest of the disk is double density. > >Is this correct?? I've never seen a Kaypro diskette like this. I thought >that Cromemco was the only vendor to pull this trick!! What's the scoop?? > No, kaypro disk format is double density on the system tracks too. I'm quite sure of this as I once dis-assembled and re-wrote the monitor ROM code to use quad density drives. (When it still cost money to get the source code for it.) When double density drives first came out there were a number of systems that did make the system tracks single density. The ones that I knew of were all 8" floppies though, but I suppose someone did it with 5 1/4 floppies too. Floyd -- Floyd L. Davidson floyd@hayes.ims.alaska.edu floydd@chinet.chi.il.us Salcha, AK 99714 connected by paycheck to Alascom, Inc. When *I* speak for them, one of us will be *out* of business in a hurry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 1990 07:43:22 PDT From: Sprague.Wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Xerox 820-II cards Message-ID: <"26-Oct-90 10:43:22 EDT".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Grumble! This bounced the first time. It's a little late, but still applies. -------------------------------- In reference to the card in Steve's Xerox 820-II, and in the spirit of general information sharing (I saw some incorrect info), I have written the following note. :-) --------- As has been pointed out, the Xerox 820 has NO card edge slots. The 820-II, 16/8's or what have you ... the CPU board is the same for all of them, had two card edge slots near the left side. There were only 4 cards for Xerox 820's made in the USA. Two of them were for the left card connector and two of them were for the right. In all cases, when I say right and left, it will be as if I was looking into the machine from the rear. The left slot is for the drive controller. It will contain either a floppy controller card (works with both 5.25" or 8" drives), a hard drive interface card (8" drives only), or NO board if it's a 16/8 machine with a DEM (Disk Expansion Module). Off the top of my head, the hard drive card is maybe 3" tall, while the floppy controller is maybe 4" tall. NEVER connect the floppy controller card to a hard drive, as you will blow the floppy/hard drive controller board down the line. I do not think connecting a hard drive interface board with floppy's will cause any damage, but I wouldn't chance it. The right slot will contain NO board if it's a standard Xerox 820-II, a 16/8 board if it's a 16/8 (that's an 8086 system on a card, for those of you who do not know), or a DEM buffer board if this is a 16/8 with DEM. Now that I think of it, there was also a 256K memory expansion board for the 16/8, which plugged directly into the 16/8 board. Very hard to find and expensive. I have seen notes where Rank Xerox (in England) may have made some additional cards which went into the DEM. (Note: The DEM has a card cage which can hold 4 or 5 cards, one of which would be the 16/8 card.) There may have been an RX memory expansion card (256K) for the 16/8, and there may have been an RX fancy video graphics board. The most notable incorrect things I saw was that sombody said the 16/8 board contained an 8088, and that the DEM connected up to the 16/8 board. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 09:03:09 GMT From: pacbell.com!pacbell!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucsd.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Z80MU info? Message-ID: etrmg@levels.sait.edu.au writes: > The version is 5.2b just to whet yer appetite. . . I've had a copy of version 5.2b for a long time. If there's anything newer, I would love to know about it. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 17:24:09 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!Charles.Cotham@ucsd.edu (Charles Cotham) Subject: Zmp and Qterm Message-ID: <3012.27272788@urchin.fidonet.org> Has anyone gotten Zmp or Qterm running on an Osborne 1? I haven't been able to find overlays for either one for the Osborne 1. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Charles Cotham 2205 Lilac St. Nederland, Tx. 77627 ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 18:37:20 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!gopnbg!altger!doitcr!jungkunz@ucsd.edu (Helmut Jungkunz) Subject: ZNODE 51 down for technical reasons Message-ID: <1517@doitcr.doit.sub.org> Hi everyone, I'm very sadly reporting, that due to a technical problem with the host system, I had to shut down the ZNODE 51 reachable through NBBS Munich 08165/60041 for the time beeing. We are working on the problems, but it seems we have to recompile part of the BBS's source code to achieve trouble-free connection. For now - the MS-DOS machine and CP/M (ZCPR34) machine talk to each other in a way they shouldn't. The host thinks, someone wants to log in, when the ZNODE is resetting itself on the timed hours. Hopefully, we will get this going again soon. If anybody should need quick help, drop me a line here at floenz1. Thank you for your attention. With kind regards Helmut Jungkunz - jungkunz@doitcr ------------ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #164 ************************************* 28-Oct-90 02:27:42-MST,8450;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 90 02:15:17 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #165 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901028021518.V90N165@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 28 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 165 Today's Topics: Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system (2 msgs) Kaypro disk with unix dd command Need info for an S-100 bus system Turbo tools unix termcap for Bondwell 12? Xerox 820-II cards ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Oct 90 23:09:45 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct26.230945.23655@techbook.com> In article <6435@plains.NoDak.edu> person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G. Person) writes: >In article ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: >>fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >> >>You and me both. I've heard that Joan Riff has great contempt >>for ZCPR3, 4DOS and like packages, and besides, her stuff is >>cataclysmically expensive. I personally would not pay for her >>stuff because that software is not worth $150, and why penalize >>us for her mistake she made before which supposedly caused her >>company to "lose their shirts"? Ah well, the heck with it... > an error... i never wrote the above. that was in a message i followed up on... -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 90 22:35:07 GMT From: att!westmark!billy@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill D'Augustine) Subject: Joan Riff was:Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1335@westmark.WESTMARK.COM> In article <1990Oct26.230945.23655@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > In article <6435@plains.NoDak.edu> person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett G. Person) writes: > >In article ianj@ijpc.UUCP (Ian Justman) writes: > >>fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A simple plea to please stop cross-posting this converastion. You are posting to five seperate newsgroups and it could be confined just as well to comp.os.cpm, or just use mail +-----------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Billy D'Augustine | Mine is not to reason why, | | billy@westmark.com | mine is but to do, or die. | +-----------------------------------+-------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 90 20:36:47 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: Kaypro disk with unix dd command Message-ID: <1990Oct27.203647.25518@ecn.purdue.edu> In article <9010261511.AA21388@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes: >snipehunt%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes: >> I think that a problem you'll run into is that the Kaypro's system tracks >> are single density, even though the rest of the disk is double density. >Is this correct?? I've never seen a Kaypro diskette like this. I thought >that Cromemco was the only vendor to pull this trick!! What's the scoop?? The only Kaypros that used single-density system tracks were the original Kaycomp II's -- they had single-density drives. I think that the Xerox double-density formats had single-density boot tracks. I have a friend who put several 820-II's together, and I'll ask him about it (he still has his Big Board, but he uses an Amiga now). -- Jeff Wieland wieland@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 90 23:24:33 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Need info for an S-100 bus system Message-ID: <1990Oct26.232433.23958@techbook.com> In article <11566@spool.cs.wisc.edu> tonyrich@titanic.cs.wisc.edu (Anthony Rich) writes: >Dag Erik Lindberg writes: > >>Cromix requires Cromemco's dual CPU card, and the OS itself runs on the >>68000 CPU only. You could run multiple CDOS sessions time-sliced on the >>Z80 CPU. (CDOS is/was their CP/M clone). > >That's Cromemco's "68000 Cromix"...I have an old version of it and >still use it. But Cromemco also sold a different product called >"Z80 Cromix." I saw it running once, a long, long time ago. > >Here's a blurb about Z80 Cromix from an old Cromemco product catalog: > [blurb deleted in the interest of saving space to justify my filling of said space with meaningless text that you are reading right now] >Not too bad for a cut-down UNIX-like OS that ran on a Z80 and floppies. >I wonder if there are any surviving copies out there? if anyone does have a copy of it, could ya let me know?? sounds like something i'd like to play with, maybe port it over to an sb180 that runs at 12 mhz or so... that'd be wicked... a multi-user, multi-tasking machine the size of a disk drive enclosure, with disk!! now, another question - does anyone know who produces z80 compatible chips that run faster than 8 mhz?? i think hitachi makes a 12 mhz hd64180, but i'm looking for something more like an nsc800. no, the 12mhz v20 doesn't count... it doesn't execute z80 code... -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 90 22:19:01 GMT From: clyde.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!umlecla3@uunet.uu.net (Brian Leclair) Subject: Turbo tools Message-ID: <1990Oct27.221901.16007@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Could someone please send me a copy of ACCESS.BOX for turbo pascal The disk i have has a crc error I have all the others except ACCESS any help would be appreciated. umlecla3@ccu.umanitoba.ca @ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 90 08:14:42 GMT From: uop!quack!mrapple@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Nick Sayer) Subject: unix termcap for Bondwell 12? Message-ID: I am a unix sysadmin, and one of the users on my system has a Bondwell 12. Some of the screen control codes he read off lead me to believe it's soroc compatable (^[= to move, ^[* to clear, ^] to home, ^[T to clear to EOL), but he reports that this does not work. He has tried MEX and IMP. If anyone can help him out, he'd appreciate it. He's stuck with readnews and /bin/mail, and that's no way to use unix. :-) He needs to know what this computer emulates, or failing that, a unix termcap entry. If it really IS a soroc, then he would like to know why it's not working. His e-mail address is gtittle@quack.sac.ca.us. He thanks you in advance. -- Nick Sayer | Disclaimer: "Don't try this at home, | RIP: Mel Blanc mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us | kids. This should only be done by | 1908-1989 N6QQQ [44.2.1.17] | trained, professional idiots." | May he never 209-952-5347 (Telebit) | --Plucky Duck | be silenced. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 90 22:48:28 GMT From: umigw!mthvax!max@handies.ucar.edu (Max Southall) Subject: Xerox 820-II cards Message-ID: <1990Oct27.224828.17420@mthvax.cs.miami.edu> There were a number of third-party controllers for the Xerox 820-II made as well, which used easier to find/cheaper components than Xerox supplied. This arose because of the large number of 820-II boards on the surplus market that needed the controller cards which weren't available. Some of these are still available at reasonable cost or even as build-it-yourself. For the 820-I and 820-II, there are also hard disk SASI adapter cards that plug into the parallel port (Z80-PIO ports) allowing use of a SASI/SCSI hard disk controller and appropriate hard drives - ST506, ESDI etc. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #165 ************************************* 29-Oct-90 13:32:47-MST,10214;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 29 Oct 90 13:15:11 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #166 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901029131512.V90N166@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 29 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 166 Today's Topics: Big Board/Xerox history Dutch CP/M "super comnputer" getting files from ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu Joan Riff and Z80M Xerox 820-II cards Zmp and Qterm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 90 12:40 CDT From: "arun baheti " Subject: Big Board/Xerox history Yes, the Xerox systems and Kaypros were both based upon the Big Board. The 820-I is, for all intents and purposes to me, a Big Board with some frills. The -II and 16/8 became progressively different from the mother system (evolution, I suppose is the word). The same is true of the Kaypro systems; they started out as Big Boards with some changes, and then progressed, although on divergent paths from the Xerox line. This explains the communications ports similarities, and the basic screen code similarities. --ab ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 90 03:30:49 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!mirror!pallio!dg@ucsd.edu (David Goodenough) Subject: Dutch CP/M "super comnputer" Message-ID: A while back, there were some postings about a multiuser CP/M system that had been built by some people in Holland (???). Does anyone have them saved away, because I'd really like to get copies of them. I saw them go by here, but didn't save, and now I regeret not having done so. Thanks in advance, -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ..... !harvard!xait!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 90 08:24:49 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!brolga!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!iceman!zlraa@uunet.uu.net (Ross Alford) Subject: getting files from ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu Message-ID: <1141@iceman.jcu.oz> mdgoodma@CRDEC8.APGEA.ARMY.MIL (Mack Goodman) writes: >Ross Alford wrote recently about how this site (128.109.153.4) >had CP/M software. I am greatful for that but I cannot seem >to retrieve any of it. Could someone, who has done it, explain to >me how to FTP to this site. Anonymous doesn't let me log in. > >Any help? > >Mack Goodman I apologise for any problems this may have caused. I have downloaded several files from this site, which appears to be a VAX at North Carolina STtate University. I have always used this technique: Step 0: CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD ON YOUR HOME SYSTEM!!! This is important as you'll see in a moment. Step 1: Use telnet to connect to 128.109.153.4, ccvax1.cc.ncsu.edu Step 2: When the site asks for your user id, tell it PUBLIC Step 3: The site will scroll an opening screen at you. Press Q at its end Step 4: Tell it yes or no for terminal type=vt100 Step 5: Tell it S for Software (The News is all local) Step 6: Enter VOL. The system lists categories, allows you to select one Step 7: (less detail) Work out what you want. Get into it's volume Step 8: Tell the system you want to GET Step 9: Tell the system the name of the file Step 10: Tell it you want to get it using F for FTP Step 11: Tell it your node address, either as numeric ID or name, for example, marlin.jcu.edu.au Step 12: Tell it your userid, or if your machine allows uploads via anonymous FTP, maybe you could tell it anonymous. I dont't know, since mine doesn't. NOTE that userids with lowercase characters eg. UN*X ids, must be enclosed in " marks. Step 13: This is the reason for changing your password to something before you start--tell it your password, enclosed in " if it contains significant lowercase. Again, if your machine allows anonymous uploads, you might be able to get away with telling it something that your machine would accept as a password from an anonymous FTP uploader. I don't know. Step 14: Tell it the path for the directory to upload to, or press return to have it upload into the directory it will be logged into when it logs on (your home directory if you've given it your own id). Step 15: The NCSU machine will connect to your home machine via ftp, using the id and password and path you have provided. It will upload the file you've selected. I've obtained both text and binary files this way, and neither sort gets mangled. Step 16: After it has uploaded the file to your machine, it will return control to you. You can continue doing whatever. Step 17: You work out how to log off. Step 18: CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD BACK TO NORMAL IMMEDIATELY, if you have had the ncsu machine log on as anything other than anonymous. Complex? You bet. It does work, though, and there is a very good selection of software available, including lots of IBMPC, Mac, CP/M, Tandy 100/102. In my original posting I suggested that it should be possible to FTP directly from 128.109.153.4. When I said that, I was relying on some information that had appeared in comp.sys.tandy re the NCSU site. That poster suggested that you should FTP to the site, then give FTP the userid PUBLIC. I hadn't tried this then. I have now, and it doesn't seem to work. The above method does, and shouldn't be too dangerous if you change your password immediately before and after allowing the ncsu machine to send you files. Ross Alford zlraa@marlin.jcu.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 90 02:57:06 GMT From: njin!uupsi!grebyn!bob@rutgers.edu (Robert A. Baumann) Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M Message-ID: <22875@grebyn.com> In article <1990Oct24.233232.11580@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>, max@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Max Southall) writes: > Not liking Joan's attitude as a reason for using and not paying for her > CP/M and Z80 emulation package sounds like a rather convenient > justification for taking advantage and saving bucks. If you feel you can't > use her stuff in good conscience, don't use it at all. That's like saying > it's OK to rob banks because some of them invest in South Africa! Sheesh. > > References: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> <6435@plains.NoDak.edu> Er... This is a fascinating discussion. What's intriguing to me is that Z80MU *DOES* support the "set DMA" call perfectly well! Furthermore, every assembler and compiler and loader that we've come across works perfectly well under Z80MU. At least, they work perfectly well under LEGITIMATE copies of Z80MU. Is it possible that somebody is using a corrupted copy of Z80MU? That's the only logical explanation that I can think of. We have seen quite a few corrupted copies out there. Who knows how or why it happens, but that's the breaks of Electronic Distribution. Once you let it out, you can't control what happens to it. I'm setting the record straight because I own Z80MU. Not a copy of it. The *REAL* Z80MU that Joan Riff wrote for me 4 years ago and that I rewrote myself. That's how I know that a *REAL* copy supports CP/M 2.2 perfectly well, even down to redirecting hardware I/O port addresses to 16-bit IBM PC port addresses for you fanatics who *REALLY* want to run a CP/M version of KERMIT or whatever. Drop me a line. I'll be glad to help to identify legitimate copies of Z80MU 3.10 (the last public domain version) and Z80MU 5.2b (the current, commercial version). There are thousands of folks running *LOTS* of off-the-wall CP/M software with Z80MU, and just about everything works perfectly well for them. Gosh, maybe there *ARE* benefits to buying a legitimate copy... Bob Baumann Computerwise Consulting Services P.O. Box 813, McLean, VA 22101 (703) 450-7175 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 1990 11:43:55 PST From: Sprague.WBST311@xerox.com Subject: Xerox 820-II cards Message-ID: <"29-Oct-90 14:43:55 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> While my message was not clear on this, I was speaking only of cards made by Xerox, not third party. I am quite interested in hearing about third party cards for the Xerox 820-II computers, especially alternate hard drive controllers! If anyone has information on any of them, especially if they can still be purchased, I would love to hear about it. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 28 Oct 90 09:09:05 GMT From: mcsun!unido!balu!schauerd%cosmo.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Klaus Schauer) Subject: Zmp and Qterm Message-ID: <6085@balu.UUCP> > Has anyone gotten Zmp or Qterm running on an Osborne 1? I haven't been > able to find overlays for either one for the Osborne 1. Any help would > be appreciated. I wrote ZMP V1.5 and MEX V1.14 modem programm overlays for the OSBORNE 1. Both supported most of the needed functions - baud rate switch, bits, modem init, break, disconnect, etc. The MEX overlay also emulate an VT100 (ANSI) terminal. If you work with an 2400 baud modem my hardware extention would be useful for you. This extention use the OSBORNE 1 modem port to generate an real RS - 232 C interface. So you can send an break and disconnect to the modem . The overlays works with the extention and allow to switch between three (four) baud rates -300,600,1200,2400-. If you are interested in the overlays or in the schematics please contact me. Klaus Schauer Auf den Kempen 31 D-4052 Korschenbroich 2 Germany (West) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #166 ************************************* 30-Oct-90 14:31:44-MST,9768;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 30 Oct 90 14:16:07 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #167 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901030141608.V90N167@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 30 Oct 90 Volume 90 : Issue 167 Today's Topics: BatchFTP v1.02 for BSD Unix now available from SIMTEL20 Compupro - MP/M 8-16 info wanted Joan Riff and Z80M (2 msgs) NewWord printer overlay Z80 emulators ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Oct 1990 14:06 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: BatchFTP v1.02 for BSD Unix now available from SIMTEL20 Message-ID: The following program is being announced here because it will assist users who have access to SIMTEL20 from BSD Unix hosts on the Internet. Now available via anonymous FTP from SIMTEL20: Directory pd3: BATCHFTP102.TAR-Z BatchFTP (v1.02) is a very useful BSD Unix program to automate connections to anonymous ftp sites. The program can be run as a background process while the user does other work or logs out. Rename the file to batchftp.tar.Z, uncompress, and extract with tar. See the doc file for directions on how to compile and use the program. Keith -- Keith Petersen Maintainer of SIMTEL20's MSDOS, MISC & CP/M archives [IP address 26.2.0.74] Internet: w8sdz@WSMR-SIMTEL20.Army.Mil or w8sdz@vela.acs.oakland.edu Uucp: uunet!wsmr-simtel20.army.mil!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 90 15:48:03 GMT From: ames.arc.nasa.gov!rrobinson@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Randall W. Robinson) Subject: Compupro - MP/M 8-16 info wanted Message-ID: <1990Oct30.154803.15391@news.arc.nasa.gov> A while back, I got a compupro system. Unfortunatly, the supply of documentation is limited. It came with G & G's MP/M 8-16 (I am assuming that G & G engineering took standard MP/M and added goodies to it). I suspect that it is missing some of the utilities, but I cannot be sure, due to the missing documentation. 1) What is the proper way to put it into multi-user. I tried to do it by typing "logout" and get a login prompt at the terminals (currently only two). I can login, but it does not seem to recognize that a user on on the system. For example, I sent my self mail, I looked at it manually, but I cannot read it with mail ("you have no mail"). What am I doing wrong? 2) How do I set the default buad rate on the console port. It wants to be 19.2 at power-up. I can change it to 9600 after I issue the "logout", but it goes back to 19.2 after reset or power-up. 3) What would be a default set of parameters for a gen. I have them for standard Digital Research MP/M, but G & G appears to be different. I have looked at things on the disks that I have, but they look like they are not "standard". 4) Any other information they you might have on this system. -- Randall W. Robinson rrobinson@ames.arc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 90 04:13:51 GMT From: vsi1!zorch!ditka!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@apple.com (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M Message-ID: <1990Oct30.041351.17147@techbook.com> In article <22875@grebyn.com> bob@grebyn.com (Robert A. Baumann) writes: >In article <1990Oct24.233232.11580@mthvax.cs.miami.edu>, max@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Max Southall) writes: >> Not liking Joan's attitude as a reason for using and not paying for her >> CP/M and Z80 emulation package sounds like a rather convenient >> justification for taking advantage and saving bucks. If you feel you can't >> use her stuff in good conscience, don't use it at all. That's like saying >> it's OK to rob banks because some of them invest in South Africa! Sheesh. >> >> References: <1990Oct19.204926.17576@techbook.com> <6435@plains.NoDak.edu> > > >Er... This is a fascinating discussion. What's intriguing to me is that >Z80MU *DOES* support the "set DMA" call perfectly well! Furthermore, >every assembler and compiler and loader that we've come across works >perfectly well under Z80MU. At least, they work perfectly well under >LEGITIMATE copies of Z80MU. > the copy of z80mu i have is version 3.10, dated 3/14/86. it does not run load.com, the cp/m hex loader. i doubt that it is a corrupted copy (i.e. corrupted by a missed error in transfer) because it gives me an error message. it doesn't lock up the system, it terminates the loader, says that i'm trying to use an unsupported feature, and gives me back the artificial ccp prompt. it even identifies the function i'm trying to use. if the gremlins of crc error dectection are at work, they sure did a thorough job!! >Is it possible that somebody is using a corrupted copy of Z80MU? That's >the only logical explanation that I can think of. We have seen quite a few >corrupted copies out there. Who knows how or why it happens, but that's >the breaks of Electronic Distribution. Once you let it out, you can't >control what happens to it. > now, there is always the possibility that somebody "patched" it to make it fail, but i doubt this. most idiots that go to the trouble to do that would have done other things, like low leveled my hard disk, written sporatic trash into the directory, or scrambled the FAT. z80mu is nice, when it works. it's about as fast as a 2mhz z80 on my system (16mhz 286 with neat chipset and very fast ram) but it seems that it (at least the one i have) doesn't emulate cp/m as well as i need for my uses, so i'll probably stick to running cp/m code on a cp/m machine. the z80 emulation is fine, but if it can't run cp/m then it's REALLY an orphan. >I'm setting the record straight because I own Z80MU. Not a copy of it. The >*REAL* Z80MU that Joan Riff wrote for me 4 years ago and that I rewrote >myself. That's how I know that a *REAL* copy supports CP/M 2.2 perfectly >well, even down to redirecting hardware I/O port addresses to 16-bit >IBM PC port addresses for you fanatics who *REALLY* want to run a CP/M >version of KERMIT or whatever. > >Drop me a line. I'll be glad to help to identify legitimate copies of >Z80MU 3.10 (the last public domain version) and Z80MU 5.2b (the >current, commercial version). > >There are thousands of folks running *LOTS* of off-the-wall CP/M software >with Z80MU, and just about everything works perfectly well for them. > >Gosh, maybe there *ARE* benefits to buying a legitimate copy... > > Bob Baumann > Computerwise Consulting Services > P.O. Box 813, McLean, VA 22101 > (703) 450-7175 -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 90 18:17:17 GMT From: agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!shamash!zeke@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Robert Scott) Subject: Joan Riff and Z80M Message-ID: <27826@shamash.cdc.com> What an interesting discussion about Joan Riff and her software. Now how about you move it to misc.elsewhere? Zeke -- ~~~~~~~~~~~ From the Shrine of the "Last Gasp of ETA Systems" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Extra zesty disclaimer: MINE! MINE! ALL MINE! Robert K. "Zeke" Scott internet: zeke@eta.cdc.com Control Data Corp, Supercomputer Support Group ------------------------------ Date: 29 Oct 90 19:28:02 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!dciem!lfergus!larry@rutgers.edu (Larry Moore) Subject: NewWord printer overlay Message-ID: Just bought a Fujitsu DL100, now I've got to get it to work with Newword. Could someone tell me how Newword's printer overlay works? Looks like I'll have to install the Fujitsu manually since it's not on the printer menu and, of course, none of the dot-matrix printers on the menu work. Thanks for any help. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 90 19:49:31 GMT From: uop!quack!mrapple@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Nick Sayer) Subject: Z80 emulators Message-ID: If anyone cares, I also have written a Z-80 interpreter and CP/M system for unix, and it's currently in beta-test. It is painfully slow, but that's to be expected, really. The BIOS is written in C, but the BIOS table can be played with, if you want, and BIOS can be moved "down" to make himem space available. Since it's in Beta, there's tons of debug stuff in the code that will probably come out (special thanks to eichin@athena.mit.edu for all his bug fixes), but it appears to run pretty well. The interpreter also has interrupt hooks, and all sorts of other junk. It actually simulates a Mostek MK-3880, but that should be the same thing as a Z-80. If there is tremendous interest, I could post the thing to comp.sources.misc, but the codes sort of messy right now. The code is copy-lefted. You can pass it around, but you can't charge for it. -- Nick Sayer | Disclaimer: "Don't try this at home, | RIP: Mel Blanc mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us | kids. This should only be done by | 1908-1989 N6QQQ [44.2.1.17] | trained, professional idiots." | May he never 209-952-5347 (Telebit) | --Plucky Duck | be silenced. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #167 *************************************