14-Feb-90 13:21:42-MST,761;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Wed, 14 Feb 90 13:21:16 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA18981; Wed, 14 Feb 90 11:01:28 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 14 Feb 90 17:55:57 GMT From: phoenix!phoenix.princeton.edu!MARCELO@princeton.edu (MARCELO) Subject: Hello?!? Message-Id: <13842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Is there anyone out there ?!?! 15-Feb-90 11:13:06-MST,933;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Thu, 15 Feb 90 11:12:56 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA13048; Thu, 15 Feb 90 10:03:45 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Feb 90 17:06:11 GMT From: psuvm!dab112@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu Organization: Penn State University Subject: Re: Hello?!? Message-Id: <90046.120611DAB112@psuvm.psu.edu> References: <13842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Yes! I'm here!! Are you a survivor of the wreck too?!?!?! Or have you come to rescue us?!?!?!?! Dave 15-Feb-90 16:27:56-MST,881;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Thu, 15 Feb 90 16:27:50 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA03353; Thu, 15 Feb 90 15:20:19 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 15 Feb 90 21:00:44 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!citek.UUCP!hbg6@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (John Schuch) Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Division, Tempe, Az. Subject: wow Message-Id: <12500@mcdphx.phx.mcd.mot.com> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Gee, I thought I was all alone in here! :*)john 15-Feb-90 21:45:18-MST,1554;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Thu, 15 Feb 90 21:45:11 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA22772; Thu, 15 Feb 90 20:22:28 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 16 Feb 90 04:06:58 GMT From: uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!deimos!phobos.cis.ksu.edu!bdn@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Bryan D. Nehl) Organization: Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences, Kansas State U. Subject: Re: wow Message-Id: <25DB7C63.3EB3@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> References: <12500@mcdphx.phx.mcd.mot.com> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil In article <12500@mcdphx.phx.mcd.mot.com> hbg6@citek.UUCP (John Schuch) writes: >Gee, I thought I was all alone in here! >:*)john Nope I'm in here too... Now here is a real question. I have two Northstar Horizon machines and I have a terminal that I can connect up and various versions of CP/M...including version 2.20. Here's the question: How do I make it go? Bryan. /* ========== kodiak%kodiakpc.uucp@phobos.cis.ksu.edu =============+ [ Big Bad Bear Beasties Inc. ][ Bryan Nehl ] [ kodiak@ksuvm.ksu.edu ][ bdn@phobos.cis.ksu.edu ] +___ ...!{rutgers|texbell}!ksuvax1!phobos.cis.ksu.edu!bdn _____ */ 16-Feb-90 12:16:08-MST,1235;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Fri, 16 Feb 90 12:15:50 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA10811; Fri, 16 Feb 90 11:05:49 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 16 Feb 90 16:14:03 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!sequent!rayh@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Ray Hughey) Organization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc Subject: Re: Hello?!? Message-Id: <29647@sequent.UUCP> References: <13842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil In article <13842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> MARCELO@phoenix.princeton.edu (MARCELO) writes: % % % %Is there anyone out there ?!?! Seems there are more of us than anyone thought. The old Horizon 64Q (is that the right designation - I forget) is still doing it's work quite nicely. But I have to concede that its abilities are a bit limited by today's standards. (This one's been around since '81). 16-Feb-90 14:13:51-MST,1317;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Fri, 16 Feb 90 14:13:39 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA18183; Fri, 16 Feb 90 13:00:45 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 16 Feb 90 13:24:19 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!citek.UUCP!hbg6@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (John Schuch) Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Division, Tempe, Az. Subject: Re: wow Message-Id: <12503@mcdphx.phx.mcd.mot.com> References: <12500@mcdphx.phx.mcd.mot.com>, <25DB7C63.3EB3@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil >>Gee, I thought I was all alone in here! > >Nope I'm in here too... > >I have two Northstar Horizon machines and I have a terminal that >I can connect up and various versions of CP/M...including >version 2.20. >How do I make it go? Overlooking the obvious puns, go where? (or how?) I've only played with a horizon once but my Advantage just keeps chugging away, right past all of the dead PCs I've gone through. John 17-Feb-90 22:29:45-MST,1241;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Sat, 17 Feb 90 22:29:35 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA02041; Sat, 17 Feb 90 21:14:53 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 18 Feb 90 04:34:42 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!trillium!rcgood@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Rob Good) Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Subject: Re: wow Message-Id: <21028@watdragon.waterloo.edu> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil In article <25DB7C63.3EB3@deimos.cis.ksu.edu> bdn@phobos.cis.ksu.edu (Bryan D. Nehl) writes: > >Now here is a real question. > > [question] > I have another question..... Where can I get a copy of version of CP/M > 1.1 ??? Are any other 'operating systems' floating around for this beast? Just another burst of activity in an otherwise sedate newsgroup... ----- rob... 19-Feb-90 20:29:50-MST,1733;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Mon, 19 Feb 90 20:29:40 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA28485; Mon, 19 Feb 90 19:20:00 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 19 Feb 90 23:05:54 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!murtoa.cs.mu.oz.au!ditmela!yarra!cm@uunet.uu.net (Charles Meo) Organization: Pyramid Technology Corp PL, Melb., Australia Subject: Re: Hello?!? Message-Id: <1380@yarra.oz.au> References: <13842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>, <29647@sequent.UUCP> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil In article <29647@sequent.UUCP> rayh@sequent.UUCP (Ray Hughey) writes: > In article <13842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> MARCELO@phoenix.princeton.edu (MARCELO) writes: > %Is there anyone out there ?!?! > > Seems there are more of us than anyone thought. > > The old Horizon 64Q (is that the right designation - I forget) is still > doing it's work quite nicely. > > But I have to concede that its abilities are a bit limited by > today's standards. (This one's been around since '81). My mother has an Advantage 2Q (?) that has not broken down for nine years. I like to mess around with it in rare idle moments. Does anyone have interesting software for it? A comms program on disk would be really helpful, since I haven't been able to bootstrap kermit on it (the serial port is weird). I will pay any postage if someone can help. Talk to me! cheers, chuck 20-Feb-90 07:20:28-MST,684;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from CRDEC4.APGEA.ARMY.MIL by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Tue, 20 Feb 90 07:20:19 MST Date: Tue, 20 Feb 90 9:18:05 EST From: Mack Goodman To: phoenix!phoenix.princeton.edu!MARCELO@PRINCETON.EDU cc: northstar-users@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Re: Hello?!? Message-ID: <9002200918.aa26259@CRDEC4.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> Yes, I'm here. I know what you mean. But quite frankly, I just got a Northstar Advantage and I'm trying to learn about it and "CP/M". I can't contribute much but I will when I can. It seems no one is active on this list, though. Mack Goodman 20-Feb-90 13:41:25-MST,868;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from Princeton.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Tue, 20 Feb 90 13:40:47 MST Received: from phoenix.Princeton.EDU by Princeton.EDU (5.58+++/2.29/mailrelay) id AA18612; Tue, 20 Feb 90 15:39:29 EST Received: by phoenix.Princeton.EDU (5.61/1.98) id AA11796; Tue, 20 Feb 90 15:40:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 90 15:40:45 -0500 From: marcelo@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Marcelo A. Gallardo) Message-Id: <9002202040.AA11796@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> To: mdgoodma@CRDEC4.APGEA.ARMY.MIL, phoenix!phoenix.princeton.edu!MARCELO@Princeton.EDU Subject: Re: Hello?!? Cc: northstar-users@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL .. I would think that there would be SOME activity going on .. CP/M .. You got me .. I haven't touched that in over 8 years when I had it loaded on an Apple ][+ .. .. Marcelo .. 20-Feb-90 14:33:49-MST,918;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Tue, 20 Feb 90 14:33:40 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA25293; Tue, 20 Feb 90 13:09:49 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 20 Feb 90 13:34:59 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!cinglis@uunet.uu.net (Craig B Inglis CS88) Organization: Comp. Sci. Dept., Strathclyde Univ., Scotland. Subject: Re: Hello?!? Message-Id: <1989@baird.cs.strath.ac.uk> References: <13842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>, <29647@sequent.UUCP> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil A wonderful this has happened - this newsgroup is alive. Z. 21-Feb-90 17:32:33-MST,1232;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Wed, 21 Feb 90 17:32:17 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA01038; Wed, 21 Feb 90 16:22:36 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Feb 90 13:16:20 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!mcdphx!citek.UUCP!hbg6@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (John Schuch) Organization: Motorola Microcomputer Division, Tempe, Az. Subject: Re: Mystery System Message-Id: <12526@mcdphx.phx.mcd.mot.com> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Possibly someone in this now awake group can help me. I have an Attorney trying to sell me a five year old 22 user horizion system. At this time that is all I know about it. Does anyone know how the system runs multi-user? i.e. true multitasking or seperate processors in each terminal or a slew of processors in the main cabinet or etc. I can probably use this thing if I can attach ten modems to it. John 22-Feb-90 21:31:59-MST,1308;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Thu, 22 Feb 90 21:31:40 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA23513; Thu, 22 Feb 90 20:07:42 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Feb 90 15:00:25 GMT From: att!cbnewsd!burris@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (david.burris) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Subject: Re: Mystery System Message-Id: <13340@cbnewsd.ATT.COM> References: <12526@mcdphx.phx.mcd.mot.com> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil From article <12526@mcdphx.phx.mcd.mot.com>, by hbg6@citek.UUCP (John Schuch): > Possibly someone in this now awake group can help me. I have an > Attorney trying to sell me a five year old 22 user horizion system. > At this time that is all I know about it. Does anyone know how the > system runs multi-user? The horizon multi-user systems I am aware of use a single processor and banked memory. Each user has on the order of 48K-56K of memory. A memory card is added for each user. Dave 23-Feb-90 07:01:47-MST,2225;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from apg-emh1.apg.army.mil by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Fri, 23 Feb 90 07:01:33 MST Date: Fri, 23 Feb 90 08:55:17 EST From: Robert Bloom AMCICP-IM 3775 Subject: Mystery System To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Cc: rbloom@apg-emh1.apg.army.mil Re: Mystery system, the key here is "22-user" NorthStar offered a number of different multi-user systems - their first, called 'TSS' was the bank-switcher mentioned earlier in this list. It allowed up to 5 users sharing one 4MHz Z80. Each had a 64K memory bank, but the top 8k was reserved to the bank-switcher os. A slightly early model from somebody named "Micro-Mikes" had 8 users. We used both in ancient times. With the advent of Software 2000's TurboDOS, Northstar junked TSS in favor of TurboDOS's multi-processors. The N* version had up to 8 users, each with their own 4mHZ Z80 and 64k. A number of vendors also started making TurboDOS cards for the Horizon - Earth's 'TurboSlave I' (8Mhz Z80, 128k) is the one we used. It was a very good system - but limited by the shared 'master' N* processor and especially the slow HD controller. Other vendors started offering multi-user *cards* for TurboDOS - instead of one user per s100 card, they put two or four users on a card, each with their own processor and memory. TurboDOS's limit is 64 users per master processor, so that was no problem. So, although I don't know for sure, my guess would be that the mystery system is a custom-designed around TurboDOS with third-party cards in the Horizon chassis. Depending on the master processor and disk controller used, it could be a fairly quick system. (My TurboSlaves were about 2 - 3 times as fast as a vanilla 4.77mhz PC, though running only CP/M programs.) Oh, and for completeness: TurboDOS is (was?) a CP/M-compatible multi-user, multi-processor, multi-tasking os. Both 8-bit (CP/M-80) and 16-bit (CP/M-86) slave processors were supported. I called it a 'LAN-in-a-box', just attach terminals. Another good idea which was run over by big blue. Bob Bloom (rbloom@apg-emh1.apg.army.mil) 24-Feb-90 08:32:25-MST,1009;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Sat, 24 Feb 90 08:32:21 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA00146; Sat, 24 Feb 90 07:28:24 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 24 Feb 90 15:26:16 GMT From: helios.ee.lbl.gov!bevsun.bev.lbl.gov!gimpel@ucsd.edu (Tom Gimpel) Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Berkeley Subject: Re: Hello?!? Message-Id: <4937@helios.ee.lbl.gov> References: <13842@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>, <29647@sequent.UUCP>, <1380@yarra.oz.au> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil I have kermit and perhaps other comm programs for the Northstar Advantage for anyone interested. -- Tom Gimpel gimpel@bevsun.bev.lbl.gov 24-Feb-90 14:19:03-MST,1676;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Sat, 24 Feb 90 14:18:16 MST Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.61/1.41) id AA14794; Sat, 24 Feb 90 13:05:52 -0800 Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil (northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 24 Feb 90 20:58:41 GMT From: kevin@arizona.edu (Kevin Strietzel) Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Subject: C compiler / cross compiler? Message-Id: <109@caslon.cs.arizona.edu> Sender: northstar-users-request@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil My dad has an old Horizon, and he's been looking for a C compiler for it. Or (preferably) a cross-compiler that runs on an IBM PC. He's cheap, so PD is *almost* necessary. An assembler-translator (8086 --> Z80) would also work. Output suitable for NorthStar DOS or CP/M 2.25 or standalone, or Z80 assembler. The idea is to use the Horizon for control, data collection, etc, and the PC everything else. Any ideas? Oh yeah -- the Horizon has 32K and a pair of single-sided double-density drives. There's a homebuilt card with a third serial port, 8 channel A/D, 1 channel D/A, and a battery-backed clock/calendar (IBM stole the idea and used the same chip in the AT!). Kevin -- Kevin Strietzel, CS Department, University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ Internet: kevin@cs.arizona.edu UUCP: ...!{lots of places}!arizona!kevin It's easy to pass the buck -- especially to someone who wants it! 25-Feb-90 19:53:32-MST,1202;000000000000 Return-Path: <@CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu:LIBJCW@SUVM.BITNET> Received: from CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu by WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL with TCP; Sun, 25 Feb 90 19:53:26 MST Received: from SUVM.ACS.SYR.EDU by CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 1597; Sun, 25 Feb 90 16:44:26 EST Received: by SUVM (Mailer R2.03B) id 5624; Sun, 25 Feb 90 16:43:05 LCL Date: Sun, 25 Feb 90 16:42:40 EST From: John Wyman To: northstar-users@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil Subject: Unsubscribe me Hello - Please remove my name from your mailing list. Thank you. 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